(June 24, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Won2blv Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 3:06 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: And slavery doesn't bring physical and emotional harm? You keep going back the the Hebrews who were entering into slavery "willingly." I put willingly in quotations because it implies these people had other options. Let's talk about non-Hebrews, here. Can you imagine the emotional harm that not having ownership of your person would do? And also, let's not forget that there was still a marketplace then. It didn't have the same goods, but there was still room for leisure spending. You weren't buying a DVD, but maybe you were buying a toy produced at the carpenter's shop for your child. You keep acting like people had only the basic costs in their lives: clothes, food, shelter. There were still whorehouses, bars, etc.
Heres the thing, I am open on this site that I am questioning my beliefs. But for me this is a non issue. Because I don't believe we can ever fully grasp what life was like back then and when I think of slavery I think about it only from the perspective I have. Also from the perspective that if you really believe in the god of the bible, you are willingly his slave. So to enter into that agreement you have to accept that there would be freedoms you're willing to give up because you love your master that much. Maybe this could be a fucked up abusive relationship. But I know that I am willing to sacrifice certain things for my wife and vice versa. Or my employer. I am willing to give up certain freedoms to keep my job.
Are you willing to be beaten at work? By your wife? Or otherwise treated as chattel?
It's hilarious and sad to see you try to whitewash slavery with comparisons to Kobe fucking Bryant, future NBA Hall of Famer and multimillionaire, and your relationship with your wife and employer. All that illustrates is that you're completely ill equipped to have this conversation.
"It couldn't be that bad if the Hebrews entered into it willingly!"
History is written by the victors. And when you're trying to sell a way of life to others, the really heinous stuff isn't going to be in the brochure. I'm sure the Hebrews were ecstatic to be slaves. And I'm sure they were allowed to leave just as easily as they entered their servitude. It was just like Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace. No capricious beatings, mortally dangerous jobs/working conditions, or lack of adequate food/water/healthcare for them. Nope.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"