What IS good, and how do we determine it?

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My point was just to show that Randy does not condone rape or believes God condones rape.

Randy may not believe your god condones rape, but most of us here do. Randy's verse citations aren't convincing, given the fact that even in those verses, moral considerations are subject to conditions and circumstances -- which, when you think about it, is simply another way of saying that morality is subjective.

I believe that you two worship a god who thinks of rape as an economic inconvenience, but not a moral problem. The Bible, in the verses we're seeing, seems to support that.

There is a verse asserting murder as an evil, ordering "thou shall not kill". There is a verse asserting lying as an evil, ordering, "thou shall not bear false witness".

Not only is there no verse saying "Thou shall not violate a woman" -- the verses on the topic address the rape of a woman as an economic hindrance, not as a moral failure. A couple can be put to death for being adulterous (Deu 22:22), but if he rapes a woman, he pays 50 shekels and is home free ... unless she's a war bride, in which case he can take her home and have his wicked way with her.

I don't care what Randy condones, and I don't care what Randy believes. The Bible demonstrates that Yahweh is not concerned with rape as a moral failing -- it is only an economical crime in the cited verses.

Nowhere in the Bible does your god say that rape is bad. Mixing fabrics: bad. Eating shellfish: bad. Raping a woman: harming another man to the extent of requiring compensation, but not morally bad. This is what the book says. You can be a Christian, but if you are one, you must either acknowledge or ignore that fact.

And so far, you seem to prefer to ignore the fact that the Bible regards rape as a property crime.