Miracle

[bennyboy]

lolwut? I can't provide any base or foundation to ANY facts mentioned in the Quran.

There is no coherent and foundational reason that can elucidate why scientific facts appeared in Quran when human knowledge to understand these facts was premature.

Look, you are saying that finding some science in the Quran is a miracle. If it IS a miracle, it's not science, because that's not what science means.

Current scientific facts are not miracles but there presence in 7th century Quran is indeed a miracle.

Nuclear bombs, computers, telephones, cars. These are the products of science. If science is God-given, then why didn't Muhammad have a personal jet? Why wasn't he broadcasting his sermons to everyone's hand phones? Why didn't he just shoot his enemies, instead of beheading them with swords? What, God hadn't figured out that science yet? Here's a hint-- if the best knowledge is always shrouded in mystery and metaphor, it's because it's not really that good after all. We have REAL science now-- science that's in the open, that has a clear meaning, that is based on observations rather than mystery and metaphor.

Presence of scientific facts in Quran is an evidence that this scripture cannot be the work of human hands and that is it. At several occasions, I have pushed this idea but it seems that you have some issues in understanding this simple point.

I think you still haven't answered my clearest point: IF the writers of the Quran had a miraculous access to scientific truth, then they did a remarkably poor job of compiling that science into a usable system.  Where are the atomic charts, and the QM diagrams?  Where is even a primitive understanding of any of the things the average 10 year-old with a library card can easily pick up with a couple free hours on a Saturday?

IF the Quran is miraculous, then the real miracle is that God chose to reveal so little science, and of such a poor quality, that Christian nations rose to power and came to dominate the world.  Even now, the only fighting chance the muslims have is to use technology-- bombs, guns, cell phones, etc. developed mainly by Europeans and Americans, most Christian, many Jews, and very few of them muslims.

Some miracle.