(June 27, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(June 27, 2015 at 1:39 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That is the most disingenuous comparison I've seen in a while and I've seen some doozies on the forum of late. The women the Hebrews married were taken captive and hauled away from their homes after all of the men in their village were killed. Then the Hebrews married them. Consent? Sure, after all marriage, slavery, or death is a choice, right? Kinda like your money or your life.Oh please! you do realize women didn't have a say in who they married anyway, marriages were arranged... women's consent just wasn't a factor when it came to marriage....
Actually, if you actually read your Bible you will find that for women of "good" family, they were asked by their families. And a marriage arranged by the family with a husband of similar background is quite different than being taken captive by someone of an entirely different culture who has just killed your family.
Concubines casually taken like say, Hagar, are rape condoned by the OT god. Either way, it's rape ordered by god, pure and simple.
(June 27, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Also you act like I'M the one that brought up the comparison of "American soldiers".
(June 27, 2015 at 1:39 pm)Jenny A Wrote: In extreme contrast, the U.S. war brides were not forced to marry servicemen, they did not immigrate until after they had decided to marry servicemen, and they certainly weren't shipped stateside and told they could either agree to marry servicemen or starve in a foreign country. Nor were servicemen encouraged to take war brides. The U.S. military and immigrate policy was strongly against enemy war brides. Soldiers marrying Japanese and and German women faced significant hurdles in getting the marriages recognized and their wives home. Without the full cooperation and even determination of the wives it couldn't have been done. http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/war-brides/The point is, these women chose to marry men who were enemies and could have possibly killed members of their family.
Which women chose? The women taken by the Hebrews didn't do any choosing. The women who married servicemen not only chose but often initiated. The fact that the men they choose had been the enemy doesn't make it anything other than a choice. The women taken by the Hebrews had no real choice.
(June 27, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(June 27, 2015 at 1:39 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Australian women, who in case you missed out on the WWII section in your high school history class were allies not captives and it's hard to imagine in what way they could have been coerced into marrying servicemen. The Vietnamese and South Korean women were also allies, not captives. And again, it was not easy to get the wives home. And without the wives' full cooperation it simply couldn't be done.In case YOU missed it, I only emphasized the part about German women.
Your quote included the Australian women prominently.
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