What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Huggy Bear]

What I think the post quoted reveals, where he cites supposed 'flip flopping' of members, is that he is literally so obsessed with one up-manship that he has to keep a running tab of times where he believes he's won a point (with whom? No idea). What a strange, bizarre, tragic person.

Thank you Panda. This routine of his is doing nothing more than entertaining the minds of the newbies here because they haven't yet been indoctrinated by his smear-shaming techniques. He has done this to me on at least three separate occasions now, with the same quotes, mind you. And he wants everyone here to believe that those quotes are somehow related to one another - even though (and this is KEY) - they were about two totally different subjects using two totally different scenarios.

What a dolt. Oh well. Moving on.

Wait
Both scenarios were were along the subject of "morality".
I'll post them in their full context.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-32260-po...#pid905650

Not to say you don't have morals, you were just privileged to be brought up in a society governed by law and order. If for some reason an apocalypse happened and it's everyman for himself, do you hold onto what you deem moral? After all, when it comes to survival, who's to say what's moral? Is it immoral for a lion to kill a gazelle? why then would you consider it immoral to kill to ensure your own survival?

isn't that just survival of the fittest?

If you believe we evolved from the animals, then it was always intended for the weak to be rooted out.

Which means if you think you'll remain moral during an apocalypse, then you'll be among it's first victims.

Law and order has betrayed me several times over. Even so, I still hold onto my morals because I would rather do what is right and set a good example for my children, despite the wrong that was done to me.

As for whether or not I would remain I would remain moral - if you are asking whether or not I would kill someone for my own survival, I can't honestly answer that. I have never killed anyone and don't know what that feels like.

I suppose if it meant shoving one of my children out of harms way and bearing the brunt of that harm, possibly getting killed in the process, then I don't believe I would be compromising my morals because I would be trying to protect my child. And I would do whatever was necessary achieve that.

All in all, it depends on the scenario. If my children were somewhere safe and all I had to do was worry about myself, I probably would die. Killing just doesn't seem to be an option.

I there is an apocalypse, I hope it's a zombie one. I have a membership to Sam's club. That would be the first place I'd run. 1 - it's a concrete building. 2 - they have survival gear, water and rations and 3 - you can't get in without a membership.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-32313-p...#pid906588

Claiming people serve God because they are afraid of Hell is like saying people don't commit murder because they are afraid of the death penalty.

That depends on which god you are talking about. If you are talking about a loving god, one who keeps the peace, puts an end to suffering, sickness and starvation, then no, I suppose he shouldn't be feared. But if you are talking about the god of your bible, you know, the one who performed mass genocide, constantly threatens his "people" that in order to get to the pearly white gates, they must obey him, otherwise they suffer eternal damnation in hell. That's the one I'm talking about.

And yeah, I don't commit murder because I AM afraid of the death penalty. That and I obey the laws because Prison Orange isn't my color. I have a list of five people who I would happily off right now if I knew that I could get away with it. So your argument is invalid.

*emphasis mine*
Let's see....In one instance she wouldn't hurt a fly and in the next instance she's ready to go on a killing spree..

As you can see, Judi takes whatever position that convenient for her argument.
how is that NOT a flip-flop? Explain.

This should be good.....

*EDIT*
I Didn't notice your earlier post.

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I am so sick and tired of you using me as your scapegoat whenever you are confronted with having to actually answer a question. You've done this to me on more than one occasion now and I've about had it with you and your bullshit.

You know what - I'm not perfect and I don't claim to be, but you taking apart TWO DIFFERENT comments from TWO DIFFERENT THREADS and putting them back together just to make a point, shows what a dick you really are. Grow up and stop being such an asshole. Once again, you leave it to someone that you've intentionally misquoted, to clean up YOUR fucking mess. So here we go...

In your first example - my response was because you said this in the New Testament arguments thread:

Huggy74 Wrote: Not to say you don't have morals, you were just privileged to be brought up in a society governed by law and order. If for some reason an apocalypse happened and it's everyman for himself, do you hold onto what you deem moral? After all, when it comes to survival, who's to say what's moral? Is it immoral for a lion to kill a gazelle? why then would you consider it immoral to kill to ensure your own survival?
 
isn't that just survival of the fittest?

If you believe we evolved from the animals, then it was always intended for the weak to be rooted out.

Which means if you think you'll remain moral during an apocalypse, then you'll be among it's first victims.

You posted a scenario and I responded with a logical answer that fit the discussion. At least I answered the questions and didn't play dodge, like you do.

The second reference you make, my response was because YOU said this in the Comparing god to a Narcissist thread:

Huggy74 Wrote:Claiming people serve God because they are afraid of Hell is like saying people don't commit murder because they are afraid of the death penalty.

Two different discussions - two different questions - two different answers - two different scenarios. You also didn't FULLY quote me in your second reference. There was a whole paragraph before my sentence about the death penalty, that you conveniently left out in order to push your own agenda.

Even though I don't owe YOU an explanation, for what it's worth, and to finish cleaning up the mess you've created, I'll say this about it:

I haven't spoken to my family in over five years. They are FIGURATIVELY dead to me. That in and of itself doesn't make them physically dead. It just means that I have cut their toxicity out of my life and choose not to have them be a part of my life. They are still very much alive and free to push their bullshit narcissistic and hateful agendas on everyone else BUT me. So in a sense - in my life - in my mind - they are already gone. By me cutting them out of my life, it simply means that I no longer have to be concerned with their abusive ways affecting me.

I'll assume that you've never heard of such figurative speech before because you like to take what people say literally, twist their words and use them to fit whatever agenda you are currently pushing for the moment. Way to go. Way to show your intelligence when it comes to making a point.

Furthermore, you don't have to "put up" with anything. There's the door. Feel free to walk through it and not come back. No one is forcing you to stay here and "put up" with things that are discussed here. I, for one, after seeing you continue to bring up something that I said THREE Goddamn months ago, wouldn't be sorry to see you leave permanently. Apparently the little break you got from here only made you come back and look more like an idiot.

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So you're saying you were just speaking figuratively about killing people? Why worry about prison then?

And yeah, I don't commit murder because I AM afraid of the death penalty. That and I obey the laws because Prison Orange isn't my color. I have a list of five people who I would happily off right now if I knew that I could get away with it. So your argument is invalid.

Btw, I never took a break, no idea where you got that from.