RE: Miracle
July 2, 2015 at 7:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 2, 2015 at 7:42 am by paulpablo.)
Quote:I had given you a solid evidence that although people were observing how skin burns yet they were not considering it as important factor in the pain mechanism.The quran is describing the symptoms of 3rd and 4th degree burns and you can't prove people in Muhammad's time didn't know about these symptoms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pain_theory
Quranic verses are incredibly accurate in mentioning principal scientific concepts without giving intricate details. No human was able to construe these facts in 7th century. The purpose of these scientific facts is not to educate people but to manifest authenticity of the concept that Quran is the word of God and not the word of man.
Let me go into further detail on this now...
Quote:Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise.
1) None of this contradicts anything in the history of the understanding of pain. So when you keep posting that link and saying you have given evidence you haven't. The quran is saying burning skin hurts, and repetitively burning skin hurts even more. People all through the ages have known this.
2) The verse isn't saying that when the flesh is burned there will be no sensation of pain again because the pain receptors are damaged, what it is simply saying is that god will repetitively burn this persons flesh.
If you assume that this verse is giving you information that there will be so sensation of pain again because the receptors are damaged THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION
3) The body contains pain receptors on more than just the skin, so someone who had their flesh burned through could still feel pain if the fire burned through to other internal organs that sense pain. There's no specific accuracy there.
4) The skin not feeling pain once it is burned is a symptom of 3rd and 4th degree burns, as I've previously mentioned you have provided no proof that the people in Muhammad's time had no knowledge of 3rd or 4th degree burns and I firmly believe that the people in Muhammad's time certainly did have the knowledge to write this verse and you haven't proven otherwise.
5) So even IF the verse is talking about the symptoms of 3rd and 4th degree burns it is still no miracle yet there are other options of what the quran may be talking about. In this translation of the quran it says when the skins are consumed by the fire god will replace them. You need no scientific knowledge to know that once something is consumed by the fire and destroyed it will no longer feel pain, once skin is melted away it's no longer there, no longer a part of the body and can no longer feel pain. That's also something else the quran could be talking about and if you think otherwise then again it is an assumption.
6) If you want to talk about the technicalities of burning someone and their pain sensation this verse is very inaccurate, if you throw someone in a fire and only replace their flesh everytime it is burned they will still eventually feel no pain because their internal organs will be too hot and they will die causing them to feel no pain anyway, no matter how much you continually burn their flesh and replace it.
The verse would make more sense if god had said he will replace their entire body when it is burned, if he is only replacing the flesh it doesn't work.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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