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Calling it into question...
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RE: Calling it into question...
(July 2, 2015 at 7:53 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 6:50 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: The splendor of our existence and everything we have the potential to destroy or help is proof. All this didn't happen on it's own. Sorry. Something at least got the ball Rollin. Whatever that is is God. It's not something you see. Well really it is because it is in everything, but the connection really is something you feel.

Ah, the classic argument from ignorance, or the "God of the Gaps" fallacy. We don't know what's responsible for X, therefore god, right?

Wrong! The fact is that your statement should stop with "we don't know." Any time you go beyond that and say "so it must be x," you're actually just speculating and arguing from ignorance. You've already postulated that you don't know because you don't have enough information to know, so how will you now then turn around and postulate an answer that is based on...what, your lack of knowledge? Lack of evidence? What, then, is the justification for believing your claim?

Since you've established that nobody else you know believes like you do, the simple fact is that you have made up your own god, which no one can corroborate except you and which you cannot corroborate with evidence. "We're here and must have come from somewhere, therefore god" is not evidence, nor does it even qualify as a legitimate argument.

If that's how you're proving god to yourself, your standard of evidence is just not very high. Anyone can tell themselves anything they want; that doesn't make it true.

If you were really an atheist for 25 years and then decided to find religion...what can I say? You fucked up. You had it right, and then you fucked it up. Why would you do that? My guess is that you didn't have a logical basis for your beliefs before, and so it didn't take much to change them. I guess it's true what they say...if you don't stand on something solid, you really will fall for anything.

Listen, we don't ask much. All we want is one fact. One measly little fact that isn't a 2,000+ year old alleged miracle. Not apologetics, not a bunch of bullshit logical circles and hypothetical hoop-jumping...just one measly shred of observable evidence. That's all. The fact that theists can't produce it is telling, to say the least.
I'm sorry but how in the fuck would you scientifically prove something that science can't even begin to answer? And get this you fuck; I know what the fuck I know because I was shone. The Lord had mercy on me. It's that ducking simple. I have had a close relationship with our being ever since. You have no clue. Existence is our God. The fucking opporrunity to reign over all things that we observe. What, that was just from some dust? No fucking way are we so fucking privileged to just happen to be here with the greatness we have just cuz. Are you so fucking shallow that you can't understand that science can't define or even remotely interpret some things? Science is a tool for understanding things. It breaks things down into smaller pieces. How are you going to break something down that isn't material?
Get your head out of your ass.

(July 2, 2015 at 7:53 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(July 2, 2015 at 6:50 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: The splendor of our existence and everything we have the potential to destroy or help is proof. All this didn't happen on it's own. Sorry. Something at least got the ball Rollin. Whatever that is is God. It's not something you see. Well really it is because it is in everything, but the connection really is something you feel.

Ah, the classic argument from ignorance, or the "God of the Gaps" fallacy. We don't know what's responsible for X, therefore god, right?

Wrong! The fact is that your statement should stop with "we don't know." Any time you go beyond that and say "so it must be x," you're actually just speculating and arguing from ignorance. You've already postulated that you don't know because you don't have enough information to know, so how will you now then turn around and postulate an answer that is based on...what, your lack of knowledge? Lack of evidence? What, then, is the justification for believing your claim?

Since you've established that nobody else you know believes like you do, the simple fact is that you have made up your own god, which no one can corroborate except you and which you cannot corroborate with evidence. "We're here and must have come from somewhere, therefore god" is not evidence, nor does it even qualify as a legitimate argument.

If that's how you're proving god to yourself, your standard of evidence is just not very high. Anyone can tell themselves anything they want; that doesn't make it true.

If you were really an atheist for 25 years and then decided to find religion...what can I say? You fucked up. You had it right, and then you fucked it up. Why would you do that? My guess is that you didn't have a logical basis for your beliefs before, and so it didn't take much to change them. I guess it's true what they say...if you don't stand on something solid, you really will fall for anything.

Listen, we don't ask much. All we want is one fact. One measly little fact that isn't a 2,000+ year old alleged miracle. Not apologetics, not a bunch of bullshit logical circles and hypothetical hoop-jumping...just one measly shred of observable evidence. That's all. The fact that theists can't produce it is telling, to say the least.
You are the one who doesn't know. I assure you.
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Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 3:00 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 2, 2015 at 3:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 3:22 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Napoléon - July 2, 2015 at 4:47 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Alex K - July 2, 2015 at 5:39 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Justtristo - July 2, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Cato - July 2, 2015 at 4:24 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 7:54 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ben Davis - July 2, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by ignoramus - July 2, 2015 at 8:24 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 8:49 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 9:39 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ben Davis - July 2, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 9:50 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 4:44 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Napoléon - July 2, 2015 at 10:40 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 2, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Napoléon - July 2, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 2, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Napoléon - July 2, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Thumpalumpacus - July 2, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 2, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Thumpalumpacus - July 2, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 2, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 2, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Longhorn - July 2, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 3, 2015 at 6:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 2:49 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 6:50 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 2, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 2, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 2, 2015 at 9:52 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 3, 2015 at 4:18 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by ignoramus - July 2, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Silver - July 2, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 2, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 6:29 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 6:37 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 7:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 7:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 3, 2015 at 7:46 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 3, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Drich - July 3, 2015 at 9:27 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Drich - July 3, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by LostLocke - July 3, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Drich - July 3, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by cercatorius - July 3, 2015 at 3:55 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Drich - July 3, 2015 at 12:40 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ben Davis - July 3, 2015 at 10:58 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by LostLocke - July 3, 2015 at 11:54 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 3, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 3, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 4:53 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Whateverist - July 3, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 3:39 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 3, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 4, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 4, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 4:38 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 4, 2015 at 10:36 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Lek - July 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Nope - July 5, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Ravenshire - July 5, 2015 at 12:24 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 5, 2015 at 10:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Whateverist - July 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 5, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Whateverist - July 5, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 5, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Dragonetti - July 5, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 5, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 5, 2015 at 1:36 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 6, 2015 at 9:17 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 6, 2015 at 9:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by loganonekenobi - July 6, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 6, 2015 at 10:10 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 6, 2015 at 10:14 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 6, 2015 at 4:11 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 6, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 6, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 6, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 6, 2015 at 8:34 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 6, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by The Valkyrie - July 6, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by The Valkyrie - July 6, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by popsthebuilder - July 7, 2015 at 12:20 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Longhorn - July 7, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 8, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Redbeard The Pink - July 8, 2015 at 9:34 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Crossless1 - July 8, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 8, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 8, 2015 at 9:53 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Minimalist - July 9, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 8, 2015 at 9:55 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by pocaracas - July 8, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 9, 2015 at 5:16 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by ignoramus - July 9, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 9, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 9, 2015 at 9:45 am
RE: Calling it into question... - by Joods - July 9, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: Calling it into question... - by robvalue - July 9, 2015 at 12:41 pm

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