RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
July 9, 2015 at 2:26 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2015 at 2:26 pm by Rekeisha.)
(July 9, 2015 at 11:09 am)Chad32 Wrote:(July 9, 2015 at 10:56 am)Rekeisha Wrote: How can you account for objective data? Since you have already stated that societies have subjective morals then there are no objective right and wrong, which means there is no true right and wrong. Since you believe that there is no Creator who gave us worth and meaning then your world view can't account for any true worth or mean. I don' know if you like him or not but Richard Dawkins has already said "The universe ... no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.” So if you are going to be consistent with your world view then you shouldn't get mad at any injustice.
There are objective things in this world. Morality just isn't one of them. We have data on how societies do in the long term, especially as time moves on and we can see the histories of countries around the world. We can find out what works, and what doesn't.
Worth and meaning is a personal question. I give myself worth and meaning. You do too. You just decided to let a religion give you your worth and meaning.
You seem to be equating atheism with nihilism. I'm not a nihilist who thinks there's no point in anything. I have my own idea about it. It's subjective, but I try to derive it through objective means.
I can't speak for what Dawkins means, and haven't read his books.
If there is an objective wrong then there is a right and wrong outside of ourselves a moral law and that was established by God outside of humanity. He has the authority to enforce this law and has put that law inside of humans.
Or there is only a subjective right and wrong which means there is no right and wrong and therefor your case against God is pointless in fact your case against any act you see as wrong is pointless and you are working yourself up for nothing.
Does your meaning change when you feel down on yourself or rise when you do what you like? If you never achieve your goals in life or they crumble in front of you are you then a worthless person?
I don't give myself worth and meaning God does. You act like I just decided one day that I would be a Christian after surveying all the options. Or that just because my parents were or I grew up in a semi-Christian country I became one. I meet God and believed what He said about Himself. There hasn't been a day that He has left me or hasn't done what He has said that He would do.