Atheism; the next step

[Cerrone]

What makes you think that the majority of people don't do that? Just because the outcome may be different than what you experience, doesn't mean that people aren't thinking of consequences. I suffer no delusions that all people are aware of the consequences of their actions, but I don't lump massive amounts of people together based on my own limited knowledge.

Again, you're assuming that people do not put some effort into their lives. There are too many variables in people's lives and bodies for you to be able to measure everyone with the same yardstick, so to speak.

Well if all people are aware of the consequences of their actions and understand the consquences when they do something stupid then we're forced to assume that society is comprised of sociopathic sadists... i'd rather think that they're just misguided or preoccupied to consider their actions than that they're deliberately causing each other harm.

And no, people rarely put effort into their lives. They do as little as they can do to get by and anything they perceive not to give them instant gratification is ignored... this is individualism and it destroys societies.

I should also remind you that every person is different. Their reasoning capabilities, foresight, etc. are all regulated by life experiences, mental capacity, education, etc. Why would you expect everyone to behave the same way and see the same result?

I disagree. I've studied peoples behaviour and mentalities and the success rate of differing types for years and i've found repeatedly that people generally act in the same way (English natives and migrants anyway) albeit unconciously. Of course the individuals opinion differs based on what he's been exposed to from the media- or should I say what the individual has been conditioned by, but his actions remain constistenly similar within the group.

If you've ever worked with groups of people, or deal with lots of people (like working in retail, call centres, customer service shit) you'll have become aware that you see the same behaviour patterns in similar types of people over and over again, not to mention people posing the same questions in the same way or making the same joke or the same body language.. most of us are exactly the same. But regardless of people currently... a new born baby has the potential to be anything imaginable, it just depends on the teacher; when born we're all blank canvases at first and the picture of our lives is painted as we develop and grow up, why can't we all be masterpieces instead of flawed and uninspired doodles?

I should point out that i'm not saying being an individual is bad.. but individualism i.e placing your own gratification above that of society and disregarding others is a destructive mentality that iscolates the individual from the group and makes organisation almost impossible.

And people wonder why peaceful activism doesnt work.


Anyhow.. people are similar, they are subject to conditioning, the ideal way to modify society would in fact be to modify the thing that conditions them i.e the media, then education. As long as people fed the right ideas they develop in the right way.. in the same way that healthy eating makes a healthy body, and consuming crap makes you unhealthy.

I could argue that your discontentment is not fault of ours, but it is your own. You are too concerned with what other people do. You are so concerned in fact, that in your mind, you are giving a job to atheists to do "something" once they have become atheists. You have appointed yourself the foreman of human behavior and are discontented because you seem to have realized that the bulk of people are not followers. They are not going to act a certain way because you want them to. It will never happen.......
..................Perhaps you would be happier if you came to a similar conclusion.

So if a bunch a people jumped you and beat the shit out of you, and then you tried to defend yourself.. would you be the one at fault? My discontentment stems from people failing to fulfill their potential to be decent people and since I have to deal with these kind of people on a daily basis i've decided to try and fix them, because they're clearly broken. Am I at fault for that?

And is your own happiness your primary concern? If so, don't think that's rather selfish?