To theists

[Excited Penguin]

Evil, as per google:
profoundly immoral and malevolent.

Acts or persons?

That's for you to decide. We were talking about beliefs however.

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I count myself amongst those who respect theists who don't break the rules.

Nevertheless,

I find it counterproductive to be too lenient as to one's stated beliefs if they happen to be wrong and ultimately evil, be it that they know it, or not-- as is more often[universally, really] the case. If one supports the Catholic Church, for example, I will judge that person partly on that and nothing will stiffle my criticism in that direction, regardless of how well one comports himself.

Reject the belief not the believer EP. I have encountered many believers outside here associated with really bad institutions but it's mostly because they were raised that way and didn't encounter real unbiased knowledge till a very later stage in their lives. So they are not the ones at fault, and if they are willing to discuss things openly, then what's the harm? Sure they might have a hidden agenda or what not, but it is only through a good discussion that we may hope to reach them. Judging a person without fully knowing about them doesn't solve anything.

And EP for your views, please create a new thread... hijacking other threads is not good at all.

How come you think I should create a new thread for my views yet feel comfortable stating yours? How is that even possible - to comment on something without stating your views? Do you propose that we should instead communicate via threads instead of simple posts every time we have to add something?


The belief is non-existent outside of the believers' minds. Belief defines them, both in action and in thought. I think it important to aknowledge this.

They may not be 'the ones at fault', but they are at fault nevertheless. Choosing to pretend it is not so won't resolve a thing. If you don't confront stupid beliefs they will end up consuming you.

I never judge a person without knowing them. I only judge them based on what I know about them, and only about that.