Islam is the real deal

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Even if Allah is real:

1) It punishes people for not submitting to it. That makes it a dick unworthy of my attention.

2) It has no noticeable effect on reality.

So I feel pretty safe ignoring the fantastical claims of Islam, whether they are true or not.

As it happens, the exact same argument works against Christianity as well. And point 2 applies to every religion.

My friend let me insist that your argument is good and much better than others .
As for the debate being pointless as claimed by other members it never is at least whether we r convinced in another point of view or part of it or not at all we are still learning alot and that's the whole point.

For your claims about if anything seems miraculous it hasn't have to be as the source is claiming I agree to that but by series of investigations and elimination process you can arrive to the truth and that's what I did , any scientific fact or historical or ethical or concerning society if isolated and studied alone in quran it wouldn't mean alot as I said before these are just signs , but if u study the whole thing as an entity you'll find that it's miraculous thats kind of my point.

So if you've studied facts Mentioned before they are just as guidelines.

As for Allah being cruel I believe we talked about that before and I've shown in that response that from a muslim point of view that he is not you can argue and say that I'm not a muslim and that's why I'm mentioning these facts to lead to read quran and then believing in islam and from that point u'll adopt to the same point of view.

I never said that you're not scientific all what I said that this point about goblins aliens. ....etc is not but rather more philosophical that is all.

Well, I appreciate you taking my position seriously, thank you