Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Little Rik]

The believe that there is God and therefore a purpose in life is the only thing that spirituality and religions agree to.
All the rest is different.

The funny thing about this is that you follow this up by defining spirituality by its systems of belief.  In other words, you define spirituality as a religion, while claiming it is different from religion.  That's hysterical.

When the believe is backed up by evidence what's wrong with it?
When the practice lead to more and more consciousness you understand that there are no limits
to it and something unlimited is better known as God among people who engage in spirituality.
Religions on the other hand do not practice spirituality.
All they do is praying to God for the daily bread and paradise. 

I am instead dispute that this advance is able to take humanity out the sewer.

You'll have to define that in order for it to mean anything.  As I already stated, we enjoy longer and healthier lives with far more leisure time than we ever had in the past, except for those societies that prefer to remain in the sewer.

Nobody prefer to remain in the sewer Ton.
If you born under a corrupted dictatorship you either put up with the sewer or you die in the effort to get rid of the rotten dictator.
You have no choices.
Now considering that most of the world population live under corrupted dictatorship or corrupted so called democracies then healthy life and progress are
just a dream. 

As one challenge is solved a new one and more difficult one arise in a never ending show.

Right.  If we are facing new problems, then it means we have solved the old ones.  The new problems are, in most cases, either a side-effect of that progress or a side-effect of backwards thinking that tries to reject progress.

Wrong again Ton.
Take the tour the France as mention in the previous post.
Life is like this tour that never get to Paris.
There is something that make the distance longer and longer.
You think that by getting in one place at the end of the day you have accomplished something.
I got bad news for you Ton.
Someone is playing with you.
You think that you have reduced the distance that separate you from Paris but someone is putting a new
journey in front of you and when you have struggled to get to that new finishing line a new journey is put once again in front of you.
Day after day, year after year in a never ending frustrating show.
So where the progress suppose to be?





Let us see who is dishonest.
Here scientists clearly say that according to them they got rid of malaria.

Recent malaria history is fraught with grand pronouncements that turned out to be baseless. "MALARIA VACCINE IS NEAR," announced a New York Times headline in 1984. "This is the last major hurdle," said one U.S. scientist quoted in the article. "There is no question now that we will have a vaccine. The rest is fine-tuning." Seven years of fine-tuning later, another Times headline summarized the result: "EFFORT TO FIGHT MALARIA APPEARS TO HAVE FAILED." In the late 1990s, Colombian immunologist Manuel Patarroyo claimed, with much media fanfare, that he had found the answer to malaria with his vaccine, SPf-66. Early results were tantalizing, but follow-up studies in Thailand showed it worked no better than a placebo.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/07...text6.html


Ton, these guys are SCIENTISTS.
You say that you believe in science, didn't you Ton?
The same dishonesty you show when you said that the doctors that declared people dead in the NDEs were wrong.
So what the hell are you talking about?
You say that you believe in science but when the science goes against your dogmatic believes then science is not good anymore.
Ton, this is DISHONESTY.
Now let us see the next point.
You say that i talk bull when i say that malaria is the major killer or No 1 killer.
Here below i show you a report from

http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/malaria_world...mpact.html

It say.................Malaria is one of the most severe public health problems worldwide. It is a leading cause of  in many developing countries.......

Here it is important to understand that in poor countries people don't have access to hospitals or medical care so most of the cases go unreported
which simple means that the statistics that we have in the better developed countries are faulty.
And again means that malaria is likely to be the No 1 killer as i believe to be the case.
As you can see Ton i didn't make up the story

I addressed this before: if our progress was one step forward for each step backwards, we would have gone extinct or remained in small nomadic tribes in a limited area of the world with very short lifespans.  Claiming that we are not making progress because fruits don't taste the same or old men can't have sex is dumb and pointless.
It also brings up a different point: it seems as if your claim is that the world is in a shitty and horrible state, and that this somehow is evidence of the existence of god.  Or perhaps that the state of the world makes you wish that there was a god.  Both are poor arguments.  Neither the concept of god as a screw-up nor your burning desire for a Deus Ex Machina to exist will cause a god to pop into existence.

What you say is UNscientific.
It is a reality that a step forward always go hand in hand with a step backwards.
The monitor that you are watching right now deliver you radiations and by sitting down you also get weaker plus plus all the rest.
Didn't i tell you Ton?
You show me a single item that come with no step backwards and i will cover you in pure 24 carat gold. 

That is YOUR problem, not mine.  I'm not the one claiming that god exists, YOU are.  I'm not the one who thinks his imaginary friend (and only his, not anyone else's) is real, YOU are.  YOU are saying that being impossible to detect is a feature of your god, and not a bug.  So by all means, try to explain how your god is any different from any other fake character that people have invented.

Actually even a fake character can become real.
According to yoga you become what you desire to be.
That is how the mind works.
A shark money lender will in the next life turn into money.
A carnivorous person will turn up into a cat or a lion.
A spiritual person will turn into God.
But of course you are free to believe otherwise Ton. 

If we go along the same logic then we also could say that the mind doesn't exist because we can not
feel it with our physical senses but we know it exist because our consciousness tell us otherwise.

We are mapping out the mind, which is just a function of the brain.  Consciousness refers to a state of awareness; it is not just another word for "mind" or "soul."  You'll never make progress if you cling to wrong ideas that you can't even define properly.

What about you Ton.
How can you make any progress if you..........cling to wrong ideas.......such as believe  in untested guessing that the mind is a function of the brain?