RE: Why does Jesus' "suffering" matter?
July 19, 2015 at 11:05 am
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2015 at 11:09 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 19, 2015 at 11:00 am)Randy Carson Wrote:I don't require any understanding of my own personal sin (whatever that means to you), I'm only explaining the contents of my concsience, which does not and cannot include vicarious redemption in any moral, ethical, or legal system. It doesn't fit in yours either...obviously, except in this one case you've made special pleading arguments for.(July 19, 2015 at 10:46 am)Rhythm Wrote: Oh? Let me get this straight..if I look at a woman the wrong way once that necessitates at least -some- scapegoating, but if I had contempt of law and a debt to the courts greater than Greeces GDP..........
It doesn't -matter- how great my sin debt is Randy, the crucifixion isn't an appropriate solution. Until you're ready to crucify someone to pay for my parking tickets I'll keep reminding you that you know better, and here you are again, driving me further and further from christ.......gj? How is it that apologists like yourself are supposed to be helping people.....in your estimation?
You have no understanding of your own personal sin.
Jesus was willing to die so that you don't have to.
I'm sure just knowing that must drive you away from him because he's such a miserable guy for loving you that much...
I'm driven away because I'm repulsed at the barbarity and immorality of your religion - regardless of it's truth. Tell me more all you like......again, you're failing the purpose you claimed for apologists, and I don;t believe you in any case...not - mind you, on the christ and god bit...I don't believe that you subscribe to a scapegoating sense of ethics or morality anymore than I do, or you'd not have argued against it..just now, when I asked about parking tickets.
Your "christ" is the victim of a crime, not my savior. Understand?
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