Miracle

[Harris]

How can you prove all that stupid bullshit you just claimed?

That is in fact a proof, which you have not understood.

You in the OP: there be science in the quran
You now: quran is not about science

Correct! There is science in Quran but Quran is not about science. The subject of Quran is Human.

First of all you're the one trying to prove this is a miracle. So go ahead and prove that no burns victim in ancient times ever said "It feels numb" when being asked how their injury was feeling.

In the history, no one has ever recorded any statement about numbness made by some person who has experienced a severe burn. This is sufficient to prove that no one has ever said, “It feels numb.”

I'm unable to scan entire human history.

Consult with your history professors.

I have no idea what kind of google search to do to find proof that people either did or didn't realize that 3rd degree burns caused numbness. It seems more likely that they did since all it would take is for someone to ask someone else or to be told how the burn feels.

Many people in today’s world do not know about numbness therefore, one cannot expect this knowledge from the people who were living in remote past. I think you can get a better guidance from your history professor instead of internet.

Your account relies on no one ever telling another person their burn injury felt numb, ever, since the beginning of spoken language.

You are an atheist or perhaps agnostic who love rationality and scientific facts. I do not think you love to talk based on mere guesstimates and conjectures.

You are insisting that people of past knew about the numbness. This argument totally contradicts with what I am saying.

I do not have any historical record showing that people had knowledge about numbness and in fact you are not in position to provide any reference either. Without good evidences, all your arguments are only conjectures.

Put simply you're wrong on two levels.

You're saying the quran is saying something it isn't saying.

The quran says god will burn then replace someone's skin so they may experience the torment. The quran does not say that without skin the person will not feel the torment. If I say to you I will kick your shins in order for you to experience torment, I'm not saying if I don't kick your shins you will not experience torment, I'm merely describing my method of inflicting torment on you.

If the quran is saying that pain is dependant on skin it's wrong because pain is sensed in other parts of the body.

Quran is not saying that but you are. I had given you the verse, which shows skin is sensitive to fire. Along with that I had also given you the verses showing that there are internal organs too which are sensitive to heat.

An additional point is that I think your confused in your argument when you keep saying ancient people believed it was the brain or the heart that was responsible for pain. People still now think the brain is responsible for pain, the brain picks up what the pain receptors send to the brain, in ancient times people believed it was the heart as opposed to believing it was the brain.

It's never been a question of skin or brain or heart, people have always known that burnt skin hurts, it was just a case of knowing which organ sensed the pain, the brain or the heart.

The verses, which I had given you, are explicitly talking about sense of burning and no other type of pain. In my previous responses, I made it clear how people in the past perceived the sense of burning. I am repeating that once again.

1. Brain processes the signals, which it receives from different sensory organs.
2. Brain is unable to produce sense of pain, vision, etc. in the absence of these sensory organs.
3. People were thinking that brain could feel pain of burning ALL BY ITSELF but Quran is saying NO! Without the skin, you cannot have the sensation of burning.
4. Budda (500 B.C), Plato(428-348 B.C.), Anaxagoras (428 B.C.), Aristotle (384-322 B.C.), Herophilus (335- 280 BC), Erasistratus (310-250 BC), Lucretius (90-53 B.C.), Galen (A.D.129-199), Huang Ti Nei Ching Su Wen, eighth and fifth centuries B.C., and even people like René Descartes are few names among giant thinkers who have perfectly missed the skin in all their observations of pain. This fact becomes obvious through the writings of these great philosophers, which reflect nothing about skin. That is a sufficient evidence showing that people in the past did not know that if skin burn to a certain extent it loses the sensation of burning.

Step 1: Cut a hole in the Quran.
Step 2: Fuck the Quran.

@ Rhythm Iroscato robvalue ignoramus downbeatplumb

Science can FUCK any RELIGION in a matter of only three equations. This is an established reality. These equations represent this reality in a perfectly compelling manner. When these equations were first introduced by ROBVALUE, they have instantly blown up my mind into smithereens. These great equations are:

1. ~(a^b) = (~a)\/(~b)
2. (pi^2)/6 = sum[n=1 ... Infinity] (1/(n^2))
3. For all real k there exists r such that Sum[n=1 ... r] (1/n) > k

In fact, I am so impressed by the equations that I decided to ask you to find out whether the following scientific statement, which is challenging for me, is true or false:

“Biology is the only science in which multiplication is the same thing as division.”