The Million Dollar Question

[lordofgemini]

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Well obviously I won't consider everything to be eternal or even two things. Then it wouldn't make sense since why are two things eternal, there must be a first. Only a single thing can be eternal.

Why can only one thing be eternal? Why can't the whole of existence, and all of the stuff within, be eternal? That seems far likelier, to me, then all of it being magicked out of nothing, because if there was just God, he's a special exception that can't be justified.

The universe as in the one we are in does have a beginning, or no? This is why I called it created, because its existence is as a result of an action of the eternal entity. Thus its created

The universe as we know it has a beginning. We have absolutely zero idea what sort of state it was all in 'before' that. The stuff that makes up our universe was already there, as far as we can tell. It didn't just blink into existence out of nothing one day.

Furthermore, tossing an 'eternal entity' into the mix lacks explanatory power, and merely adds an unnecessary roadblock to understanding. It is a sign reading "don't bother trying to figure this out".

Since nobody has any actual knowledge on the subject, guessing that it was all the work of some invisible monster who exists alone, outside of space and time is, to put it very mildly, going out on one thin fucker of a limb.

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Do you agree eternity is a must?

You said everything to be eternal is more likelier to be possible. Now that is totally absurd and fallacious. You want everything to be eternal. That is like you saying everything thing just was there forever without reason. Or a cause. Logically there must be a first.

Yes so it was created like I said becuase it has a beginning.

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Fine I want you to give me any literally any other possible justification of the existence of the eternal universe.

Again, this is the argument from ignorance fallacy, since even if I could provide no answer, it doesn't make yours correct.

That said, who says this is an eternal universe?

Like i said there must be a first, that first must be eternal. And the next thing is the because of the first. I.e. created.

So, this is just another set of assertions, since you've not demonstrated any of your musts. Do that, and maybe we'll talk. But simply strenuously telling me something must be a certain way doesn't make it so.

I must be a billionaire.

Oh look, I didn't suddenly become flooded with money. Crazy how that works.

Yes because there is no other way around. Every single person will come to the Same conclusion. Provided he can think.
Universe as is existence. And existence is eternal. Or do you say otherwise.

You want me to give you a silly simple analogy. Although there is no possible analogy that fits. Because nothing is the first except God.

Imagine a house. Everything perfectly set., the doors of wood, windows, table chairs, beds everything, In the middle of a desert. Both of us see it. I say what a beutiful house made by X. U say no it just there I can't give you any possible answer because I am refraining to think out of ignorance . While is say there 'must' be a builder it didn't just pop out for no reason. Its obvious.
And then u start blaming me that I am asserting things without evidence and that it just there no need to think about it.