Dr. Doug Graham (80-10-10 raw vegan)

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You said "nobody knows what causes Alzheimer's", so I present studies that have made progress in the prevention of Alzheimer and finding out what causes it. Please provide evidence for you claim on iron deficiency.

That's right, no one knows what causes dementia, let alone alzheimers. It's theorised to be preventable, but it's not curable.

A 1983 paper, are you serious? That's when I was BORN.

You think human biology changed since then?

Yes, it's changed a lot. We only found out about the ghrelin and leptin hormones, for instance, in the mid 90's; we didn't know what cholesterol was for in 1983; we thought that saturated fat was bad and in fact the "experts at the time" recommended reducing daily fat by around 1/4th, which resulted in more people eating more grains and more refined sugars. And in 1983 there was only a very rudimentary understanding of B12 and B12 deficiency.

Have you seen the third source? If 1 in 6 meat-eaters has b12 deficiency it does not sound unique to veg*ns to me.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the full text. However, some people have lower B12 levels without problem, not everyone "needs" B12 levels higher than 170 pg/ml, just like some people have a BMI of 18 naturally without problem and would not actually be underweight for them. Nothing about the study suggests the cohorts were exclusively meat eaters?

And I repeat; you think human biology changed the last 20 years?

And I repeat; yes it has changed an awful lot.

Sorry, I'll explain what I mean; animal foods have useful nutrients like calcium and iron, but there is a problem with using them as sources for such, being that they always come with nutrient I believe to be unhealthy; saturated fat, trans fat, animal protein and cholesterol. This is what I call baggage.

Okay, and I'll explain this again:

The only difference between saturated fats and unsaturated fats is the fact that (a) saturated fats are not considered essential (i.e. we can synthesise them), but at least least one unsaturated fatty acid is essential (meaning we can't create it from anabolic metabolism), and (b) that palmitic acid in the diet is thought to raise blood cholesterol levels, and linoleic acid does the opposite. And dietary cholesterol has no direct effect on blood cholesterol levels.

Meat and dairy only contain trace amounts of trans fat. I believe you mostly get it in vegetable oil since it's an artificial product (which is why I typically don't use vegetable oil, and prefer the natural alternative of olive oil).

I think it is better to get these nutrients from sources that don't have this baggage, for example soy milk for protein and calcium rather than cow milk.

Soy milk is not a naturally occurring product, it's a processed food.

What the fuck does this even mean? How does it even make a difference? How did you determine that the killing is 'humane'? If I kill a man, but he experienced no pain, would it be okay for me to kill him? Is that the sort of morals you live by?

Cows are not humans. They are animals, and not very intelligent ones at that.

We are designed to eat meat.

Some people can go a very long time without any problems without eating meat, but other people cannot. 85% of people in the USA who go vegetarian ultimately return to eating meat after an average of nine years (see Psychology Today). The main reason, given by 35% of those who return to eating meat, is for their health.

One example is Alex Jamieson. She seese herself as a "holistic health counsellor", and is a proponent for improving your health through diet, especially veganisim. Her approach has always been moderate - to tell her clients to do what is right for their bodies. Unlike other "holistic health" nut-cases who believe all medications are bad, etc (e.g. Dr Doug Graham), and that all ailments can be healed though the diet. She notes that it was very good for her body for a long time, that it did heal her, but that after 13 years she started having problems. Her periods stopped, and other health problems arose, she started craving meat which she had not craved in a very long time. Ultimately she found out that she needed to return to eating meat for her health and well-being.

Why would you not be?

Because their effect on the so-called "greenhouse effect" is limited.

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We can argue all day about what is the best diet, but one thing is certain and that is that you can be healthy with a vegan diet.

That's simply not true. Some people find veganisim healthy for them for some length of time, I'm aware of no data that suggests that veganisim is healthy for anyone for their whole lives, and if you bothered to check the example I gave (trollsneedhugs on youtube), you'd see that someone raised vegetarian from an early age developed a number of very serious medical conditions and could not heal as a vegan no matter what he tried. He also could not put on any muscle. There are at least 4 or 5 videos where he talks about his ailments in detail well prior to eating meat (most over a year earlier).