Miracle

[Harris]

You are the one who claims that minor philosophical points represent miracles, not I. YOUR standard of miracle is "something that I don't believe anyone at that time could have known."

“Minor Philosophical Points!” Had I given any philosophical point? There are no philosophical points in my post all nine points are precisely scientific.

Science without nature is impossible. Science without the fairy tales of dark-ages sand people is perfectly possible.

The points that I have raised in my post are not from the wonderland fairy tales. They are precise scientific facts. Please be specific and do not try to divert this discussion to wonderlands and fairy tales. You still have to provide justification on how those scientific facts entered into Quran in seventh century if in your opinion Quran is not the word of God (The Creator of everything).

The quran says skin can be burned and it will cause pain when the skin is burned, are you trying to say ancient people weren't aware that being burned hurt?

Here you are deliberately twisting the truth by totally deflating my justifications and overshadowing them with your perverted ideas that you are trying to enforce consciously and intentionally.

The point here is not whether people were aware or not about burning sensation but it is about their perception of burning sensation. They perceived heart as pain receptor, which Quran has corrected by attracting their attentions towards the skin.

Not contrary information at all. All the quran says is that burning skin is a punishment, it doesn't say the heart is not responsible for sensing the pain when the skin is burned.

You are again playing with the words.

If I say, “Only brain is in charge of generating feelings and emotions” then is there any need to mention, “Heart does not cause any feelings and emotions.”

I know that being hit in the groin with things hurts, because I can experience the pain, I know that people in ancient times knew about pain being caused by being hit in the groin by wood.
I know ancient people most likely knew about skin going numb after being scabbed over or receiving harsh burns because they would have experienced these things. But that's using sensible logic.

Using your logic on the other hand............ if I don't find any ancient writings about someone being hit in the groin by a piece of wood then I know for a 100% fact that they didn't know being hit by a piece of wood in the groin caused pain, you still haven't proven otherwise because the ancient writing you found only says the piece of wood in the groin caused death, no actual evidence of pain.

I'm using your logic here, if they didn't write about it they didn't know it.

So it doesn't matter that ancient people used fire extensively for cooking, heat, and punishment. And that they almost definitely would have known every sort of symptom of 3rd and 4th degree burns. None of that matters because they if I can't find them writing about it then I know they didn't know about it.

Regarding fire and skin, you are repeating the same statements thousands and thousands of time by totally ignoring the facts, which I am giving to you.

The point here is not whether people were aware or not about burning sensation but it is about their perception of pain according to which heart is the receptor of all kinds of pains (including burning sensation).

As for wood and groin, you have asked me to find ancient record in order to prove that if there is no historical record about hitting in the groin causes pain then that would be the proof that no one in the history was aware about the pain caused by hitting the groin.

Unfortunately, you have overestimated your confidence by undermining the fact that just as burning skin hurts is a common knowledge, likewise groin hurts when hit by something is a common knowledge as well. Therefore, I found the historical record without much effort and proved your idea to be wrong.

I'm not saying if you burn or cut the actual brain it hurts. I'm saying the major part of the body responsible for the suffering of pain is the brain.

And, I say that brain cannot generate the sensation of burning without skin.

You can slowly have your skin burned all day long and have boiling water poured into your internal organs and you won't suffer in the slightest if you have no brain to sense any of it.

That is true for the organs as well because brain needs them to generate senses and feelings.

No single organ is as responsible for the suffering of pain like the brain is.

WRONG! Brain cannot produce signals of the sensory organs all by its own. Each sensory organ is crucial to produce signals to brain. Without having proper signals from sensory organs, brain is not capable to originate senses and feelings.

Can a blind feel something after directing his eyes towards bright sparkling colours or can a deaf gets delighted by some jubilant music.

robvalue Wrote:
The thing to take away from this thread is that the Quran is mostly about burning people's skin.

Bennyboy wrote:
And the "miraculous" science of how to do it right.

If Paulpablo is striving hard to prove that people in the past knew that burning skin hurts and repeat the word Skin thousands of time then that repetition is from Paulpablo not from Quran.

The word skin repeated in Quran about five or six times only.

Let me introduce a new miracle of Quran.

The word “Land” mentioned in Quran 13 times that is 13/45 = 28.888
The word “Sea” mentioned in Quran 32 times that is 32/45 = 71.111

The approximate ratio of land to sea is 13:32 or 28.888:71.111

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/8o.html

The author, who hypothetically was living in desert in seventh century, knew the exact quantity of water on earth and that knowledge made him capable of writing these figures in coded form.