(February 8, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(February 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: How many believers have you successfully talked out of their beliefs with that attitude? Oh, none, really? That's a shocker.
Don't know, I am sure quite a few. I do know if it were not for the blasphemy of others I would not be an atheist now. I was offended far too easily as a kid for lots of reasons, and if you had picked on my Catholic beliefs growing up yes, I would have reacted negatively to it. So? Would that give me the right to assault or murder someone? No? Ok so what is your point?
Yet another bad argument. Again, you are still dealing with 7 billion humans and it still is flat out absurd to expect 7 billion humans to only say nice things about each other. That is a utopia that will never happen.
I dont think you understand that even a mere "that is not true" to many believers might as well be a literal "fuck you".
Civility isn't about never offending or never getting offended. Civility is what you do in response to those situations. YOU can only control yourself, not others.
I value human rights, but I will never value "never" as a blanket solution in dealing with speech. It is as it should be dealt with on a "it depends" and case by case.
I have no idea what the hell you're even talking about. All I was doing was giving a little practical advice as to how to better persuade some people. It doesn't always work, but that doesn't mean there's a better alternative on offer. At least I don't think there is. That's not to say in some situations and with some people a rougher approach wouldn't work, but that doesn't mean it's exactly optimal either.
