Ace, you make some good points.
Kyu, you said: 'what I think you should do is look into how god is a good thing with the aim of finding out if it is true.'
I suppose I have always thought of God as a good thing most of my life even though I've always doubted He is really there. If I am worried about something and I pray to Him, I may feel at more peace - ( I'm aware this is more likely some kind of psychological effect taking place: my own positive reinforcement thing going on). When I think how fortunate I am to have my family, plenty of food, a roof over my head etc, I feel like I want to thank 'God' for all I have. I feel 'gratitude' that I need to express somehow. For me, believing in a God has maybe had a positive effect on the whole, but I know for many it has the opposite: fundamentalists who are willing to kill for what they believe. It is almost a tangible part of me now, although I can see it may be false, but I see no harm in holding on to it as a possibiltiy. So for believers like me there are two things for you to contend with:
1) Knowledge of various religious beliefs that has been gathered during a lifetime -( by debating we can test these beliefs thoroughly it is hoped.)
2) The physical or rather physchological effects this knowledge has had on the person. Some of these effects can be almost like having a drug experience, so the believer can be 'rewarded' for believing these things maybe?? So when I feel peace after praying, maybe I've released some seratonin or something like that because I feel a release, as if I've unburdened myself. Feelings are powerful and it can be hard to separate them from reason. I hope you see what I'm saying.
As for Daystar, I hope he isn't a Beserker (like that word alot). It's up to him to show he isn't. If he can't see how he is being perceived then he has a problem. I hope he calms down and stops getting so het up. We're here to debate stuff, and if someone can't see your point of view, well it aint the end of the world. Move on.....
Kyu, you said: 'what I think you should do is look into how god is a good thing with the aim of finding out if it is true.'
I suppose I have always thought of God as a good thing most of my life even though I've always doubted He is really there. If I am worried about something and I pray to Him, I may feel at more peace - ( I'm aware this is more likely some kind of psychological effect taking place: my own positive reinforcement thing going on). When I think how fortunate I am to have my family, plenty of food, a roof over my head etc, I feel like I want to thank 'God' for all I have. I feel 'gratitude' that I need to express somehow. For me, believing in a God has maybe had a positive effect on the whole, but I know for many it has the opposite: fundamentalists who are willing to kill for what they believe. It is almost a tangible part of me now, although I can see it may be false, but I see no harm in holding on to it as a possibiltiy. So for believers like me there are two things for you to contend with:
1) Knowledge of various religious beliefs that has been gathered during a lifetime -( by debating we can test these beliefs thoroughly it is hoped.)
2) The physical or rather physchological effects this knowledge has had on the person. Some of these effects can be almost like having a drug experience, so the believer can be 'rewarded' for believing these things maybe?? So when I feel peace after praying, maybe I've released some seratonin or something like that because I feel a release, as if I've unburdened myself. Feelings are powerful and it can be hard to separate them from reason. I hope you see what I'm saying.
As for Daystar, I hope he isn't a Beserker (like that word alot). It's up to him to show he isn't. If he can't see how he is being perceived then he has a problem. I hope he calms down and stops getting so het up. We're here to debate stuff, and if someone can't see your point of view, well it aint the end of the world. Move on.....
"The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility"
Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein
