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Photon "reference frame" and determinism
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RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism
(September 25, 2016 at 12:01 am)bennyboy Wrote:
(September 24, 2016 at 10:06 pm)wiploc Wrote: If there is no distance, then there is no reason to think the photon's time was stopped while it covered that distance.

That's right.  The photon didn't experience time because from its perspective the journey is infinitely short.  WE see it as timeless because it literally is.  Therefore. . . all things related by light are immalleable, therefore determinism.  Ta da! Big Grin

I can't make sense of that.  Let's use a situation that won't make physicists laugh at us: 

Joe and Sara are traveling (relative to each other) at a speed that makes each of them see the other's time pass at half speed. 

Now, if I understand you, you are saying that one of them experiences less time because his journey is shorter, and the other one seems slow because it literally is?   Is that your position?  If so, I think you are confused. 

Each will see the other as having slow time, and each will see the other as spatially distorted.  Neither view is privileged. It isn't true that one of them is "really" slowed down and the other is "really" physically distorted.
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Messages In This Thread
Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 20, 2016 at 11:49 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by Rayaan - September 21, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 22, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by Alex K - September 22, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by wiploc - September 22, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 23, 2016 at 7:08 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by wiploc - September 23, 2016 at 11:46 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 23, 2016 at 11:52 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by wiploc - September 24, 2016 at 10:06 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 25, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by wiploc - September 25, 2016 at 12:48 am
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 25, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by Alex K - September 25, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by InquiringMind - September 25, 2016 at 1:03 am
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 25, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by LastPoet - September 25, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: Photon "reference frame" and determinism - by bennyboy - September 26, 2016 at 12:42 am



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