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[bennyboy]

But who are you trying to demonstrate this to? There are no active Jews here, nor anybody who much cares about the Jewish religion.

How much you enjoy the mockery of Bible and Quran that much you hate the exposure of truth about Talmud and Jewish deceits. This is obvious even to a blind person. Furthermore, I have noticed that few anti-Zion comments made by other members have been evaporated from my previous discussions whereas thousands of anti-Christian and anti-Islam comments are shining in atheist forum like a bright midday sun. So, I do not see any indifferent behaviour concerning Judaism in atheist forum.

There are all kinds of crudities writ large on bathroom stalls all over the world, but I don't take time to comment on them, either. This isn't because I endorse them, but because they are not really attempting to argue against my views or to impose upon my freedoms.

Quran is the last and final scripture because this time Allah Himself has taken the responsibility for its protection. Indeed, since its revelation almost 1,500 years have passed and no one was able to change Quran and this fact is in itself a miracle.

. . . and yet you have oft preferred a particular translation over others, because it sheds your barbaric religion in a better light.

Your religion is ALSO a savage relic of ancient sand-dwellers.

No, it is not. To whom you are referring as savage were Pagans, Christians, and Jews who were the real sand-dwellers of Arabia before revelation of Quran. It was the teachings of Quran and life style of Prophet Mohammad that have transformed these people from savages to adoring human beings.

Really? You do not speak with the tone of an adoring human being, but rather of one full of hatred and bitterness. If Islam is the religion of adoration, then you are not Muslim at all. I have, in fact, met people of all the Abrahamic religions who are loving and respectful, and those who are corrupt and unkind. Clearly, it is not the religion which determines one's character, but his individual attributes. The reason for this is obvious-- religion doesn't matter, but rather the genetic and learned traits of a person.

I think I can speak for most here when I say if you, the Christians and the Jews ALL disappeared into the breeze one day, we'd all feel better off for it.

Once I wrote, while discussing with you:

“Everything that has a beginning has an end.”

This is nature and no one and nothing would escape this reality.

You and I had a beginning and sooner or later we are going to face an end. Regardless, whether you vanish first or I, life is infinitesimal. There is no guarantee that you would be able to enjoy your desired feelings in this infinitesimal life.

Guaranteed enjoyment is in living a life in compliance with natural order and without being deceived by your own desires.

Superstitious belief IS in compliance with natural order. However, so is a suspicion of those who make promises which they cannot demonstrate the ability to keep.

Show me heaven, show me that it is real and worth a lifetime of dedication, and I will do whatever it takes to achieve it. You cannot. You can only double talk and quote scriptures no more meaningful to me that the collected fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.

All around me is a system of belief which does real good for me: medicine which keeps me healthy and living (and which is not of Islam), a computer which provides me with nearly limitless entertainment (and which is not of Islam), and an improved understanding of why people act as they do (which is not of Islam, and is in fact contrary to it). I believe you have no current knowledge to offer, and therefore your superstitious proselytizing serves as little more than a target for comments while I sip my morning tea. You'd have as much luck scribbling the Quran on bathroom stalls as attempting to sway anyone here even a smidge from their global contempt for the particular brand of fairy tale called "religion."