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Mathematicians who are finitists.
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RE: Mathematicians who are finitists.
(April 11, 2019 at 11:24 am)polymath257 Wrote: Hmmm....there can be no actual proof of the existence of an infinite set because the collection of hereditarily finite sets is a perfectly good model of set theory without the axiom of infinity. That shows the internal consistency of the axioms. Again, in the finitist system, the *collection* of rational numbers isn't something that can be constructed. All that can be done is saying whether particular constructs are rational numbers or not.

The point is that finitistic math has very strict rules for set formation and those rules do NOT allow talking about any infinite sets.

Now, this is not to say that allowing infinite sets isn't better in many ways. It gives wonderful insights into a large variety of phenomena. It makes many arguments much easier and produces results that finitistic reasoning cannot, even results concerning finite sets.

Here's a proof by John Hopcroft, Jeffrey Ullman and Rajeev Motwani in their Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation Edition 3 textbook, page 9:

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Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 2, 2019 at 8:49 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Fireball - April 2, 2019 at 10:08 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 3, 2019 at 12:10 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Smaug - April 4, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 5, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Smaug - April 5, 2019 at 4:04 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by chimp3 - April 4, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Sal - April 5, 2019 at 3:55 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 6, 2019 at 9:26 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Smaug - April 6, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 6, 2019 at 10:46 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Smaug - April 7, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 7, 2019 at 3:52 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Smaug - April 7, 2019 at 5:25 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 8, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Little lunch - April 7, 2019 at 5:50 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 8, 2019 at 9:56 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Fireball - April 9, 2019 at 10:32 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by robvalue - April 9, 2019 at 6:18 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 9, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 9, 2019 at 9:46 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 10, 2019 at 8:42 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 10, 2019 at 8:59 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 11, 2019 at 10:48 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 11, 2019 at 11:09 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 11, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 11, 2019 at 2:13 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 11, 2019 at 3:33 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 11, 2019 at 3:39 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 11, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 14, 2019 at 7:15 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 14, 2019 at 9:31 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 14, 2019 at 12:07 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 14, 2019 at 1:38 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Fireball - April 9, 2019 at 10:03 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - April 9, 2019 at 11:05 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by robvalue - April 9, 2019 at 1:22 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Sal - April 9, 2019 at 9:28 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 9, 2019 at 9:44 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 15, 2019 at 9:58 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by LastPoet - April 15, 2019 at 12:32 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 15, 2019 at 5:06 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by LastPoet - April 16, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Fireball - April 16, 2019 at 3:25 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - April 16, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - June 29, 2019 at 6:44 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - June 30, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by LastPoet - June 30, 2019 at 1:30 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - June 30, 2019 at 3:34 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 1, 2019 at 2:02 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 2, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 2, 2019 at 11:36 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 2, 2019 at 11:29 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 3, 2019 at 11:51 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 3, 2019 at 10:06 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 4, 2019 at 7:33 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 4, 2019 at 11:24 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Fireball - June 29, 2019 at 10:00 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by LastPoet - July 1, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 2, 2019 at 1:45 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 5, 2019 at 6:36 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 5, 2019 at 9:09 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 7, 2019 at 3:38 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 8, 2019 at 7:05 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 8, 2019 at 3:38 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 9, 2019 at 7:51 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 9, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 10, 2019 at 4:55 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 10, 2019 at 7:55 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 10, 2019 at 8:34 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 10, 2019 at 8:19 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 11, 2019 at 2:52 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 11, 2019 at 9:30 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by polymath257 - July 11, 2019 at 10:20 am
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by LastPoet - July 5, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 5, 2019 at 1:38 pm
RE: Mathematicians who are finitists. - by Jehanne - July 9, 2019 at 2:29 pm

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