Blaming the victim.

[Dotard]

If you want to argue perspective, I'd love to know what this "dressing older" meant, since I've been aghast at some of the shit they sell to 14 year olds and younger. In a close community, probably highly religious too since it's in TX, they could have considered any number of styles to be "too old" for her.

Who the hell is argueing 'perspective'? Only comment I made about that was it is entirely possible she may have been dressing and making herself up advertising.

My point still stands, Dotard - no way does an 11 year old, even if she does understand the concept of prostitution, in any fucking way resemble someone old enough to legally have sex. Even if she said "sure I'll gang bang a bunch of guys" she still is too young. If the middle schoolers are convicted, maybe they would have been lenient on that count and said "well the youth of today are depraved" or whatever else, but a 19 year old picking her up? Give me a break.

Who the hell said she resembles someone old enough to legally have sex? Who the hell is argueing that she was not too young? What the hell were you reading to get that from? And no, I ain't gonna give you a break. Since many here love to toss out ancedotal bullshit, lemme toss you one of mine.

One time, no not at band-camp, I met a girl who worked at the little Allah Snackbar where I worked. She looked no more than 12 years old. Chatting with co-workers I asked, "Is that the owners daughter helping daddy out?" One worker said, "I think she works there." Then we were all guessing her age. It turned into a little betting pool we all tossed money into. So we go to ask her. I got elected spokesperson so I ask her "How old are you?" 21 she says. o.O Whut?!
"Seriously, I am 21 years old." she states.
Me and her just start blabbing after that. I see her Texas I.D., we go on a couple dates, I meet her mama who confirms she is 21 years old.
Now me being the "put nothing past you evil women" type, suppose her and her 'momma' contrived this whole plan to entrap some dude into touching her, claim RAPE! and take the dude for all he's worth. -OR- after a couple 'dates' I find out that what she had was a fake I.D. and an older sister posing as her mama. Who would be the 'victim' in that case?

Don't pull that bullshit on me about "girls appear older" these days, either. Even if she did look older, she couldn't have appeared more than 16.

What the fuk are you reading? -OR- Who pissed in your Post-Toasties?
I said nothing about older appearing girls 'these days'. I must give you credit though, you knock those strawmen down fast as you put them up.
However 16 is legal in many states (some younger) and the whole of Europe I believe. I could be mistaken on that one.

Rape victims often don't come forward out of fear or shame.

Whatever. If they are not coming forward, how would you know this?

That same video could also hold proof that she was coerced.

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Yeah, sure it could. Possible it could hold proof of the opposite. My point, which you seemed to have lost, is don't be so quick to judge when you do not know the whole story.

I think it's worth mentioning that out of 18 dudes not one heard about it and reported it? Are these 18 dudes accused of all raping her at the same time or was it spread out over some time such as days? Was she ever reported missing? Did she have any signs of being restrained?

You do not know enough to make such judgement calls.

And Sae, my point about clothing was that I thought it was irrelevant in the face of the way the situation apparently escalated that someone accused her of "dressing beyond her age" and therefore I made a ridiculous example. There are men accused of gang raping her with video and pictorial evidence. In the case of rape, while I might well condemn a grown woman for wearing a skanky outfit in a bad part of town, the crime and blame still rests on the asshole who doesn't take "no" for an answer.

The video and pictures are not evidence of rape. At this time they are pictures of an underaged girl having sex. Nothing more until proven different in a court of law.
You should condemn a grown woman for wearing a skanky outfit in the bad side of town. The CRIME rests on the asshole who doesn't take no for an answer, but the BLAME can be shared by that skanky dressed woman on the bad side of town.

Really, this has been all covered before in the "Objectifying Women" thread. I don't remember if you were around when that was active, but really, to continue here would just be a re-hashing of umpteen pages of text. If you could go and skim thru it then come back and give my arguements a good logical thrashing.

Or not, I'll do it all over again here if you wish.