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God's law or private law?
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RE: God's law or private law?
(January 14, 2023 at 4:35 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You don't think it's your ego, they don't think it's their ego...you each think it's each others egos...and you're engaged in a dispute about what a god did or didn't say, according to each of you.  Nothing less than the ownership of True Religion™ and who is or is not a True Muslim™ at stake.  At any rate, you hit the nail squarely on the head..if you're bowing down to rules because someone told you too...even if that someone is a god...that's just dumb.  

So why, again, does it matter what a god does or doesn't say about x?

You argue that there is no islamism or no islamists in the face of mere reality..and this would be disturbing, were it not for the rest of the post being littered with chakra garbage.  More like expected, at this point.  I'll repeat again that the short version as it looks to me - every post in this entire thread-  is that you've made an effort to memory hole anything that you might find shitty about islam so that you feel comfortable in your heterodox beliefs.  An improvement over orthodox beliefs, surely...but not much curiosity, honesty, or consistence.  Not a single ounce of reason.

I don’t know if you are aware while you are going this but I think you are asking the right questions:
 
1) This is absolutely true. We are supposed to go beyond the mind and not to try to solve the mysteries of the universe with our minds. Being mind-based means being ego-based. So you are right in this. This is just my ego (who has a Muslim identity) who is reacting to their egos (who also claim to have a Muslim identity) so my ego is feeling attacked and my ego is reacting.
 
(See: I already gave you all the clues to help you understand that I am not that advanced on the spiritual path Smile )
 
And 2) That’s a completely Ego based reaction too. I mean the second paragraph. Many people like the comfort of their ego based belief systems (but be careful this includes non-theological belief systems too). Being open to change and being dynamic in our philosophical convictions means that we are willing to leave our comfort zone and take a lot of risks.
 
That’s why I said that the road can be bumpy if you decide to venture into spirituality. Many people find it to be a transforming experience that includes a lot of experimentations with completely new concepts and ideas.
 
And what you are describing is also a typical ego based reaction. A Muslim or Jew or whatever, will want to rationalize whatever he/she thinks is the basis of his/her belief system in order to be able to maintain that belief system (that he/she probably has learned as a child and is still trying to maintain as an adult simply because it’s more comfortable that way).
 
But don’t misunderstand me, I will not go on and criticize this type of approach either. I mean, whatever that ideology or religion is, I don’t think it’s anybody’s business. As I believe that we all have a given software at birth. So some of us can decide to explore the limits of the truth about our own reality while another person’s problem might be to make a good living and care for his/her family. And if that person lives in the second scheme what is my problem with that? I think it’s completely fine.
 
And if we were to define ourselves as truth seekers, I think we would have to walk alone on that path.
 
So my statement is more of a political statement. I am simply saying that (again as you noticed) I’ve met many people from many different belief systems. And I found some elements that are common to all of us (all people who believe in the existence of a reality beyond this everyday material reality that seems to work entirely according to the rules of physics). And all that I said is that according to me, there are many people who want to sell themselves as this or that, and that these people don’t really seem to have this common elements that I have witnessed both within myself and in other people who sincerely adhere to this or that religious tradition. And I will keep arguing on that trying to give you some more concrete examples if you were to remain completely unconvinced. Smile
 
One such example is “Thou shalt not kill”. See common in all Abrahamic religions. So if you are not convinced maybe it’s you turn to explain me why the IRI has just murdered a double citizen who was a member of the IRI government in the based on forced confession (that were obtained under torture) and showcase trials that have nothing to do with any legal tradition that we know of up to this day. Smile
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God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 16, 2022 at 12:12 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 17, 2022 at 5:36 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 6:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 17, 2022 at 6:56 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:15 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 17, 2022 at 7:34 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 4:37 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:22 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 7:40 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 17, 2022 at 8:16 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 10:18 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 4:47 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 5:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by WinterHold - December 17, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Ranjr - December 17, 2022 at 5:46 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 17, 2022 at 5:52 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Belacqua - December 18, 2022 at 7:20 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 18, 2022 at 9:18 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:49 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:43 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:29 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Angrboda - December 17, 2022 at 5:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 17, 2022 at 7:45 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 18, 2022 at 11:45 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 18, 2022 at 5:14 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 19, 2022 at 1:38 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 19, 2022 at 4:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Ranjr - December 17, 2022 at 8:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by arewethereyet - December 19, 2022 at 12:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by brewer - December 19, 2022 at 4:52 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Anomalocaris - December 25, 2022 at 10:28 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 25, 2022 at 2:05 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 19, 2022 at 12:50 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 21, 2022 at 9:33 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 19, 2022 at 6:33 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 21, 2022 at 9:54 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 21, 2022 at 2:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 21, 2022 at 3:00 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 25, 2022 at 9:27 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 26, 2022 at 9:55 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 27, 2022 at 6:09 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - December 28, 2022 at 12:12 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2022 at 8:36 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 28, 2022 at 1:09 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 29, 2022 at 9:49 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2022 at 11:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - December 29, 2022 at 3:59 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 31, 2022 at 6:03 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by LinuxGal - December 31, 2022 at 10:48 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - December 29, 2022 at 7:42 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - December 31, 2022 at 6:13 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2023 at 5:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 1, 2023 at 2:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2023 at 3:06 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 2, 2023 at 11:57 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2023 at 10:05 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 6, 2023 at 6:34 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by HappySkeptic - January 6, 2023 at 1:50 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 7, 2023 at 2:04 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2023 at 4:17 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 10, 2023 at 7:08 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 12, 2023 at 9:30 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2023 at 11:38 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 13, 2023 at 8:25 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Angrboda - January 13, 2023 at 10:24 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2023 at 10:33 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 14, 2023 at 3:25 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2023 at 4:35 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 15, 2023 at 3:07 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2023 at 10:00 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 16, 2023 at 10:02 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2023 at 2:19 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 19, 2023 at 2:48 pm
RE: God's law or private law? - by Leonardo17 - January 19, 2023 at 5:42 am
RE: God's law or private law? - by The Grand Nudger - January 19, 2023 at 3:32 pm

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