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The CAM Thread
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The CAM Thread
When I was 16 I did my research paper on Alternative Medicine. I was rather unskeptical - it was something new to me, and included a lot of herbalist crap, which I liked. Eventually though you have to see through the bull.

Shermer just came out with a piece that I think makes a good kick off to a thread for questions or venting about CAM.

For me, a lot of frustration comes from plant-based alternative therapies. Botanicals already contribute extensively to our way of life, and are a rich mine of even further treasures, but many traditional herbal remedies have little more than a placebo effect, or work in ways that actually contradict their folkloric use, or are even downright dangerous.

http://skepticblog.org/2011/08/16/folk-w...-medicine/

Quote:In most cases CAM hypotheses do not pass these simple criteria. They have either failed to reject the null hypothesis, or they haven’t even been rigorously tested to know whether or not they could reject the null hypothesis.

What, then, is the pull of CAM for so many people?.....

A 2004 survey of 1,400 U.S. hospitals found that over 25% offered such alternative and complementary therapies as acupuncture, homeopathy, and massage therapy. According to researchers Sita Ananth of Health Forum, an affiliate of the American Hospital Association, and William Martin, PsyD, of the College of Commerce at DePaul University in Chicago, in a news release: “More and more, patients are requesting care beyond what most consider to be traditional health services. And hospitals are responding to the needs of the communities they serve by offering these therapies.”

Herein lies one answer to understanding why CAM sells. There is a market demand for it. Why? One possibility is that people are turning to alternative medicine because their needs are not being met by traditional medicine. As the late medical historian Roy Porter was fond of pointing out, before the 20th century this certainly was the case.4 Medical historians, in fact, are in agreement that until well into the 20th century it was safer not to go to a doctor, thus leading to the success of such nonsense as homeopathy—a totally worthless nostrum that did no harm, thus allowing the body to heal itself. Since humans are pattern-seeking animals we credit as the vector of healing whatever it was we did just before getting well. This is also known as superstition, or magical thinking.

Another explanation may be found in examining what CAMers are offering that mainstream physicians are not: TLC. By this I do not just mean a hand squeeze or a hug, but an open and honest relationship with patients and their families that provides a realistic assessment of the medical condition and prospects. People are going alternative because in too many instances physicians have become highly skilled technicians—cogs in the cold machinery and massive bureaucracy of modern HMO medicine.

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So…we should turn to CAM then, right? Wrong. An even deeper problem is that CAMers lack much medical knowledge and (especially) scientific reasoning, making them dangerous. The 2002 study referenced above found that 54.9% used CAM in conjunction with conventional medicine but did not always tell their primary care physician, thus leading to possibly deadly mixtures of drugs and herbs.1 It is not a matter of everything to gain and nothing to lose by going CAM (even if your doc offers no hope), because quack medicines cost money, cause harm, and, most importantly, take away valuable time that could and should be spent with loved ones in this already too-short of a stay we have with each other.
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The CAM Thread - by thesummerqueen - August 25, 2011 at 11:40 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 25, 2011 at 12:30 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by theVOID - September 1, 2011 at 10:58 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by LastPoet - August 26, 2011 at 5:34 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 26, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by Jaysyn - August 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by downbeatplumb - August 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - August 29, 2011 at 2:07 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 8:12 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - August 29, 2011 at 8:40 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by Jaysyn - August 31, 2011 at 3:24 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by thesummerqueen - August 29, 2011 at 8:21 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 8:35 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 8:49 am
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RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by thesummerqueen - August 29, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - August 30, 2011 at 12:32 pm
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RE: The CAM Thread - by thesummerqueen - August 29, 2011 at 2:06 pm
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RE: The CAM Thread - by Jaysyn - August 31, 2011 at 3:31 pm
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RE: The CAM Thread - by thesummerqueen - August 29, 2011 at 3:57 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2011 at 12:36 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by salty - August 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - September 1, 2011 at 3:02 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - September 1, 2011 at 10:34 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 11:39 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by KichigaiNeko - September 2, 2011 at 3:05 am
RE: The CAM Thread - by downbeatplumb - September 1, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by salty - September 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm
RE: The CAM Thread - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 12:35 pm



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