RE: Psalm 137:9
September 2, 2017 at 12:08 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2017 at 12:14 am by Godisgood.)
Well how can humans make objective statements and say that such and such a thing is objectively wrong when they are in fact full of sin??
Whether or not your god displays approval toward "sin",
He doesn't EVER approve of sin!!!
People like you are fond of claiming that we are in no position to judge God because he is so much greater than us, but that simply doesn't follow. I am just as capable of judging your god as I am of judging another human being, this is because I have an innate sense of the moral. I don't need anything other than my innate moral sense and capacity for reason to form justified judgements of the character of your god. This, like much of your rhetoric, seems nothing more than an empty assertion.
Yes you can certainly attempt to judge Him but your complaints are based on nothing but opinions. None of those things make it okay to make moral complaints about God. You can certainty give your opinion, but making any rational moral complaints, that isn't going to happen!
What gives atheists the right to judge God? Where is their standard from which they base their moral assertions about what is right and wrong? The problem is that they can't produce any objective standard. They only have their subjective opinions, and that is a problem--a big problem.
Objective morals are those that are based outside of yourself. Subjective morals are those that depend on you, your situation, culture, and your preferences. Subjective morals change, can become contradictory, and might differ from person to person. This is the best that atheism has to offer us as a worldview.
Think about it, in atheism, there is no moral right and wrong. There is no moral "should and shouldn't”. Why? Because when you remove God, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. In atheism, morality is up for grabs.
Without a standard of morality, there is no way to judge what is good or bad. Atheists, for example, might decry what is the behavior of God in the Old Testament when he orders the destruction of people groups. But, by what standard does any atheist have to judge what is morally correct? At best, an atheist would only have the ability to express an opinion since he cannot offer any objective standard of morality.
We can only judge what is moral if we have a standard given to us by God, not some standard that is based on emotion, opinion, or the changing morals of society. Even though atheists, agnostics, Muslims, and non-Christians might not approve of standards found in the Scriptures, we Christians believe that the Bible is the revealed and inspired Word of God and that within its pages are the moral standards by which we are to model our behavior. Therefore, the right we have to judge what is moral comes from God as is revealed in his Word.
Atheists' morals are not absolute. They do not have a set of moral laws from an absolute God by which right and wrong are judged. But, they do live in societies that have legal systems with a codified set of laws. This would be the closest thing to moral absolutes for atheists. However, since the legal system changes, the morals in a society can still change and their morals along with it. At best, these codified morals are "temporary absolutes." In one century abortion is wrong; in another, it is right. So if we ask if it is or isn't right, the atheist can only tell us his opinion.
Whether or not your god displays approval toward "sin",
He doesn't EVER approve of sin!!!
People like you are fond of claiming that we are in no position to judge God because he is so much greater than us, but that simply doesn't follow. I am just as capable of judging your god as I am of judging another human being, this is because I have an innate sense of the moral. I don't need anything other than my innate moral sense and capacity for reason to form justified judgements of the character of your god. This, like much of your rhetoric, seems nothing more than an empty assertion.
Yes you can certainly attempt to judge Him but your complaints are based on nothing but opinions. None of those things make it okay to make moral complaints about God. You can certainty give your opinion, but making any rational moral complaints, that isn't going to happen!
What gives atheists the right to judge God? Where is their standard from which they base their moral assertions about what is right and wrong? The problem is that they can't produce any objective standard. They only have their subjective opinions, and that is a problem--a big problem.
Objective morals are those that are based outside of yourself. Subjective morals are those that depend on you, your situation, culture, and your preferences. Subjective morals change, can become contradictory, and might differ from person to person. This is the best that atheism has to offer us as a worldview.
Think about it, in atheism, there is no moral right and wrong. There is no moral "should and shouldn't”. Why? Because when you remove God, you remove the standard by which objective moral truth is established. In atheism, morality is up for grabs.
Without a standard of morality, there is no way to judge what is good or bad. Atheists, for example, might decry what is the behavior of God in the Old Testament when he orders the destruction of people groups. But, by what standard does any atheist have to judge what is morally correct? At best, an atheist would only have the ability to express an opinion since he cannot offer any objective standard of morality.
We can only judge what is moral if we have a standard given to us by God, not some standard that is based on emotion, opinion, or the changing morals of society. Even though atheists, agnostics, Muslims, and non-Christians might not approve of standards found in the Scriptures, we Christians believe that the Bible is the revealed and inspired Word of God and that within its pages are the moral standards by which we are to model our behavior. Therefore, the right we have to judge what is moral comes from God as is revealed in his Word.
Atheists' morals are not absolute. They do not have a set of moral laws from an absolute God by which right and wrong are judged. But, they do live in societies that have legal systems with a codified set of laws. This would be the closest thing to moral absolutes for atheists. However, since the legal system changes, the morals in a society can still change and their morals along with it. At best, these codified morals are "temporary absolutes." In one century abortion is wrong; in another, it is right. So if we ask if it is or isn't right, the atheist can only tell us his opinion.