Psalm 137:9

[Redbeard The Pink]

[quote='Drich' pid='1614727' dateline='1504632124']
...and what does an ot Jew under the whip of a philistine care or know about the future teachings of Jesus?

God as per the parable of the talents and how he has handled everyone in the O and NT only holds you responsible for what you know to be right and or wrong.

Oh no, enslaving Hebrews isn't allowed unless you're also a Hebrew and they're in debt, and you're not allowed to keep the men longer than 7 years unless you ensnare them by letting them start a family they're not allowed to take along when they go free. Foreigners, on the other hand, may be taken as slaves and treated as property (bought, sold, bequeathed to children, etc.).

What I am saying when the paslm in question was written the whole nation of Israel was conquered and taken by the philistines I believe and Everyone of sound body who was a jew were gather up and marched back to philistine and sold into slavery. This happened several times in the OT by different people. This song/psalm was written about the captors and their evil children.

The OT does, however, say that you can beat your slaves as long as they don't die right away or lose eyes or teeth. How compassionate. What a loving gwawd.

indeed. How else to punish someone who is already in the middle of the greatest punishment a soceity like that already has? After all all non God center soceity did not have any rules on slavery.

Oh, and then there's the NT admonition for slaves to obey even cruel masters as one would obey Christ. Neat[/color]

Indeed. Sound advise even if you apply it to the modern word of employer/employee after all the slaves like modern day employers you referenced in the OT compensated their slaves/employees.

So again not all slaves are human chattle. Slave is a much broader word that has lost most all of it's meaning in the modern vanicular. Today it only means a beaten broken black man picking cotton in a white man's field. While the word use to mean anything from chattle slavery to contract employment meaning instead of money I work for you, you give me land to work house to live in food for me and my family and protection from evil people and I give you work in that field and a precentage of everything it produces. Or slavery in the case of Joseph meant everything from chattle slavery to being the second in command of all of egypt.

That is one thing you douche bags forget about the word slavery as the bible uses it. it was the rewards the slaves were entitled to, because again you lemmings have been programed to only think black man in a cotton field being beaten by a white man. While that is apart of History, one can not deny that there is no soceity today outside of mud huts that was not built and currently maintained on the backs of slaves. (OT version not yours)

Well riddle me this first... if a psalm is just a song or hymn what does it matter what it says to a NT christian if said Christian can see a level of wrong that an OT jew could not?

Is this or isn't this the word of your god, Drich?

How about common knowledge from the Jews Christians and anyone not activly looking for reasons to blindly feel justified in hating God. How else do we know Psalms is not a book of commands? Because the word itself defines it to be a book of song and not a book of law.

So does modern society... or can you show me a society that is not build and currently maintain by a slave labor force?

Wait...so are you saying slavery isn't wrong?

What I asked you was to show me ONE example of a soceity not built on or completely dependent on slavery You said there were several.. So I am asking you to provide one. just one.

Am I hearing that correctly? I mean sure, slavery, human trafficking, and labor exploitation are still extant problems despite the fact that they're almost universally reviled by the average member of the public, but, like...we still agree those things are immoral, right?[/color]

not just a problem sport.. our entire societal foundation. without slavery, human trafficking, and labor exploitation the world as you know it would be at an end.

Not saying this is a good thing I am pointing it out so people like you can't pretend that your money your life style does not support what you seem to be above.

When I say slavery, I'm generally talking about owning other people as property while detaining/working them against their will. Let's deal with one issue at a time.

"Society being built on" something doesn't make the thing good or acceptable, and being anti-slavery as a member of a late-stage-capitalist society where ethical consumerism is impossible doesn't make me a hypocrite. Even if it did, you're still basically dodging the question. Is slavery immoral, or isn't it?

It doesn't really matter that this passage is from Psalms. The bible has no shortage of language like this in other books. Your god is constantly smiting and commanding people to annihilate each other. He's basically a blood demon.