Psalm 137:9

[Huggy Bear]

For someone who keeps calling me a liar, your argumentation is pretty dishonest.

Look, if you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie...

I've thoroughly explained why your position was wrong, yet you insist that it isn't. You know absolutely jack about scripture yet you presume to try and explain to me what the scriptures mean.

I don't know of any other situation where a rank amateur (even that title is giving you more credit than you deserve) has the nerve to try and explain something to someone with 30+ years experience in the subject matter.

I've debated this very subject with a person who ironically gets voted best debater every year, and he got made to look absolutely foolish, you're not going to do any better...

in fact, every time I see a slavery thread, I stroll in like:

First off, your semantic games with the KJV are not impressive. To Old Testament Jews, heathens and foreigners are inherently the same thing.

This is patently false.
Heathen and foreigner, are in no way the same thing.

• heath·en - 1. a person who does not belong to a widely held religion (especially one who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim) as regarded by those who do.
  
  
• for·eign·er - a person born in or coming from a country other than one's own.
  

That being said the Moabites believed in the same God the Israelites did and they also had their own prophet; Balaam (who is famously known for the talking donkey), They were a different nation but not heathens.

It might say "servant" and "possession" rather than "slave" and "property," but the text in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy is clearly talking about buying, keeping, and working people as if they are pieces of property. Slaves were only allowed to go free in particular circumstances, and aside from those provisions slavers were free to detain and even beat their slaves, provided they didn't lose eyes or teeth or die right away.

And yes, if a slave died a day or two after a beating, he was not to be avenged. The previous passage about assault and manslaughter has nothing to do with slavery. Read the book or get honest about it.

The bottom line here is that in no place and at no time does the bible say "Do not buy or sell human beings; you may not own other humans as property."

What it DOES say is that (within certain guidelines) you may buy, sell, bequeath, and beat other human beings, and the circumstances under which they can gain freedom are specific and remote.

That. Is. Chattel. Slavery.

Your bible authorizes and regulates it in the old testament, then doubles down in the new testament by telling slaves to obey cruel and kind masters alike. That's why, when pressed about biblical slavery, apologists like you have to go scurrying off to passages about kidnapping and loving your neighbor. The passages that actually address slavery don't say what you want them to, so you have to bend others into shape to make your point.

Nonsense, indentured servitude IS NOT chattel slavery, chattel slavery is what the trans Atlantic slave trade was based on.

Abraham for example had many servants, and since at the time he had no sons, his head servant was his HEIR.

Does that sound like chattel slavery to you?

When Abraham nephew was kidnapped by a war party, Abraham armed his servants to go rescue him.
Does that sound like chattel slavery to you?

Do you think any slave owner in America would of armed his slaves?

You'd be a fool to arm people that you mistreated, you see what happened in Haiti, so stop trying to equate the two.

What it DOES say is that (within certain guidelines) you may buy, sell, bequeath, and beat other human beings, and the circumstances under which they can gain freedom are specific and remote

Oh now I see you changed your tune. I thought you said they were property forever? that they were basically oxen and had no rights?