My dumbass parents doubt evolution

[Zen Badger]

Badger, you are simply dead wrong and ignorant of science and philosophy.
We know of many things in science due to their necessity to sufficiently explain the known effect.

Nobody one can prove gravity exists. We know it exists due to it's necessity to explain the known effect. We know it exists because it pulls on bodies with mass. Well, how do we know gravity is pulling on the bodies? Because we know it has the effect of pulling our bodies. Well, how do you know it is gravity pulling your body? The circular loop repeats.

Darfaq did I just read?"We know gravity exists but we can't prove it exists". I think throwing you off a high place sans parachute will demonstrate its existence to you beyond all reasonable doubt.

This is the same for God. We know God exists by God's necessity to explain known effects and our experiences of those known effects.

You don't know god exists, you believe it exists. And you have yet to adequately explain why god is the explantion for these supposed effects.

No on can prove atoms exist by observation. We believe they exist due to their explanatory necessity.

No one can prove sub-atomic particles exist. We know believe they exist by observation of their necessity to explain known effects.
Those Higgs Bosons, for example were always part of the standard model, because we knew they must exist due to their known effect. We still only have further confirmation of their known effects. We can't actuall se them.

Observation is not the same as seeing.

We believe Mathematics but we can't prove it scientifically. Science rests on Mathematics.

Wrong again, it can be tested experimentally(which is the basis of science)
1 + 1 = 2, to test take one rock, then add another rock to it.
Count the rocks, you'll have TWO rocks. Experiment supports hypothesis.
For the record, I can't believe I need to explain basics to you.

We believe Logic, but we can't prove it scientifically without arguing on a circle.

Logic is only as good as the evidence it is based on.
Trying to apply logic without evidence(as you are trying to do) is just mental masturbation.

Badger, explain how we know gravity exists without arguing in a circle - or admit you were wrong. Man up.

I just did.

Let's stick to one argument for now.

With respect to the moral arguments. You apparently don't understand how argument works. You need to defeat premises, not demand I prove premises in an argument in infinite regression. You need to tell me how God is not sufficient as a plausible grounding for an objective realm of moral values and duties. You have not done that. Further, You have not offered any plausible alternative. You can't simply protest and demand I prove the premise - and then prove the proof of the premise.....

So if I propose an argument I don't have to support it with evidence, you need to prove it wrong......

There is a fine ming dynasty tea pot in orbit around Saturn but we can't see it because it's too small.

By your "logic", I don't have to prove it. You have to disprove it.

Off you go lad.