(November 6, 2013 at 7:02 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:The attributes you assigned to that cause are not logically deduced from the reasoning you gave.(November 6, 2013 at 6:39 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I've already shown you why that is not the case. Even if the first two arguments were sound (which they most definitely are not), The only thing you can directly infer from that is that the universe had a cause. Everything else is bare assertion.There is no much more, just some attributes for that cause
Muslim Scholar Wrote:This is the same point I made to you. Your response was to assert that god was not the only thing in existence prior to the creation of the universe and so time would have existed for god. You keep contradicting yourself.Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:Whether or not simultaneous causation is possible is irrelevant. There needs to be a time frame in which those events can occur. No time = no time frame = no event.What do you mean by time frame?
You are trying to play with the word time to evade the proof
Time (As my definition) would not exist as there is only one event.