1984 & A/S/K revisited

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1984 & A/S/K revisited

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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited

April 15, 2013 at 11:19 am

(April 15, 2013 at 8:30 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 15, 2013 at 2:10 am)Godschild Wrote: Your correct, the angels were created into the presence of God and yes later they rejected Him. They do not have a chance at salvation, they are doomed...
Chapter & Verse?

(I ought to talk)

I presume that this refers to the angels being in heaven (and thus in the presence of god) and that some of them left heaven to breed with human females (thus abandoning their position in heaven and in effect rejecting god). I think that the book of Job refers to the angels applauding god's acts of creation (chapter 38?), and it is Jude 1:6 that refers to "the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling" and who are kept in a condition of "darkness" until the time of judgment is upon them.

"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould

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1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 12:55 am

RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am

RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 2:13 am

RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 3:20 am

RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 3:31 am

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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm

RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm

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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 5:48 am

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