(June 19, 2013 at 1:31 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: I would like to get some clarification on an issue that is raised around here from time to time.
When questioned about god, theists will tell you that god is not perceivable in a traditional/physical sense. He is a being that is outside space/time and therefore cannot be tested, measured or falsified. In short, science doesn't work on god.
When questioned about miracles, the theists will inevitably agree that they do occur and that god does work in our lives. Determining what constitutes a miracle is another discussion altogether but suffice it to say, there is some disagreement on the subject.
In any case, here is the problem: You claim that your god is beyond the realm of science yet you claim that miracles happen every day, right here in the real world. Things that occur in the real world ARE TESTABLE BY SCIENCE.
So how is it that god is undetectable to science but his actions (miracles) are testable? And why is it that in the entire history of mankind, not a single "miracle" has ever been proven to be an actual miracle?
God is not testable He is Spirit, science can't test that. He created the universe and it's testable. God can heal people and it appear to be by conventional means, thus not appearing He did unless you're a believer. Aren't there cases of physical healing where doctors have no idea how it occurred, actually knowing what they did could not bring about the results. As far as I'm concerned the greatest miracle is salvation and science can not test that yet it occurs daily. Then those things that happen that have no scientific explanation, you will say we just do not understand yet but, in time we will. Really that seem like an arrogant assumption, no one could know if the answer will come in the future. So somethings God does is testable yet would seem to be accomplished by man, other things God does will never be testable by man, yet will not be accepted by those who do not know Him.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.