RE: Unconventional Religion
August 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2013 at 10:42 pm by Consilius.)
(August 5, 2013 at 11:46 am)genkaus Wrote: Those revered as saints are often the ones who give up their "worldlt possessions".The Virgin Mary. St. Thomas More. St. Maria Goretti. St. Louis IX, King of France. St. Margaret, Queen of Scotland.
According to whatever YOU heard, a saint is a priest or a nun.
Quote:Also, according to your religion:Dismissing formerly given evidence to find a counter-example. I can only assume this is because it proved you wrong.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
" Matthew 19:24
I can't tell if you are being serious or just trying to trip me up. That Bible verse is famous.
Jesus never said the rich couldn't enter God's kingdom. He did not calculate the probability of a landowner successfully looping camel guts through a needle and set up an equation. He said being rich and good is hard. The rich have to struggle with putting morals over money. They have to learn to control their wealth or it controls them.
Quote:There is no such thing as an "inherent" value.Human life has a constant value. It can never be less valuable than money, no matter what anyone thinks. A judge and a jury will enforce that.
Quote:Even if it is one of the many options, you should take it.Placing me in a fake scenario based off a conclusion you jumped into as a subterfuge.
"It's good to give away ice cream," I said. Therefore, I should exhaust my bank account giving every man, woman, and child I happen to come across a fudge pop.
Why?
Because Jesus said that if I don't walk down the street looking for people to kill me, I am going to burn in hell.
"All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way." Luke 4:28-30
"At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." John 8:59
"Again they tried to seize [Jesus], but he escaped their grasp." John 10:39
"No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it." Ephesians 5:29
Quote:No, I'm saying that every individual should try simply try to make himself richer. And since doing so at someone else's expense would result in a greater chance of his becoming poorer, every individual should try to make himself richer without making anyone else poorer.Every man for himself? Why didn't we think of this before? I mean, why don't the poor just go get more money?
(August 5, 2013 at 11:13 am)Consilius Wrote: But in your doing that, you are giving people money you could have used on yourself and you probably won't get it back.
Quote:That's not seeking profit.No, it isn't.
(August 5, 2013 at 11:13 am)Consilius Wrote: If you mean that we should ALL become richer, that won't accomplish anything. Pay an oil tycoon and a gardener 20% of his or her income, and nothing changes.
Quote:Wrong. Everyone becoming richer is precisely why humanity has grown so far. It is precisely why we are no longer the moronic goat-herders listening to a delusional carpenter.Humanity has grown how far? Of course, if you're rich and white, you've made huge advancements, and you live under the illusion that all humanity is moving forward. Everyone else? There is little difference between the poor now and those of ancient Babylon. That's why the OT admonishes the rich to take care of the poor. They were apparently more progressive than you.
Apparently the goat-herders did better math than you, too. There are people who are extremely rich, while others are extremely poor. The gap is enormous. When everyone gets their paycheck (the amount of which varies according to your race or gender), the gap gets even wider. If you don't agree with that, you'll need a math problem.
And what exactly is WRONG with being a Jewish goat-herder or a carpenter?! Does their message become more reliable when it comes from a diplomat and a multibillionaire?