(December 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm)Pippy Wrote: Look, you can make it all hypothetical and window dress it.Thanks for the shrieking harangue. Are you going to look at the CRU 11 breach and tell us that it means either bad science or no science? Companies take shortcuts - it is unethical and illegal yet corporations hold so much power that it is rare that anyone take them to court for their violations. This is a clear cut case for close regulation and anticompetitive practice breaking activities.
Baxter did in fact accidentally cross contaminate and ship H5N1 tainted material in a Bio security level 4 facility. Look up level 4, research how many eyes and test had to be bypassed for it even to be conceivable that a mistake could be made. It is nearly impossible that it was by accident. Should their license be revoked by almost infecting tens of thousands of people across multiple countries? No. Why not? Because it's either bad medicine or no medicine. That is insanity.
Almost infecting is different than infecting. You have a lack of information, which only proves a lack of information. You can use the evidence that they took shortcuts that ignored safety and established procedure. But not the former. No, it isn't insanity - it is letting a large entity cut procedure and get away with it for the most part. Work against that, not some arbitrary 'insanity'.
(December 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm)Pippy Wrote: Call me crazy because you guys don't know enough about the world we live in, but all I hear is Baaaaa.I appreciate that when you run out of points, you call us ignorant. I can take accusations of ignorance - I am not a doctor nor am I a medical researcher. I am, however, a researcher in training with a background in biological and physical sciences. Meaning I am trained in the scientific method. I apply my experiences in industry as well to better understand how things are going on. I have some credibility though. It may not be much, but it is more than the average citizen.
I mean listen to yourself. Well, the only option is bad medicine or no medicine. No, either we tell other people around us that there are rules to follow, or we don't. The only option is good medicine or bad medicine...
(December 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm)Pippy Wrote: Fucking madness.We all live together in an imperfect world. Laws are broken, people die. Does that prove that laws are no longer useful? No. All it proves is that a particular group of laws were ineffective or more probably ill enforced. So the logical course of action is to make said laws more effective and better enforced, as well as recognize that probability dictates that while you can never reduce chances of possible outcomes to zero, one can reduce said chances to near zero.
You guys can live in a world where Baxter (and the other corps also breaking the law) are somehow not doing anything wrong, or it is some inevitable loss leader. Hyperactivity in children is dangerous? Dangerous? Because they might jitter into traffic? Hyperactivity is annoying, so we give them speed. Think about it.
You then digress into a rant against hyperactivity. I will not honor such a discussion. That is for another thread.
(December 17, 2009 at 10:02 pm)Pippy Wrote: You guys can call me crazy, but I assure you, the whole "no, there is nothing wrong here" attitude appears to me to be absolutle insanity. Certifiable.
Keep you poor hyperbole, this is the real world and things are far more complex than that.
Flabbergasted,
-Pip
You are crazy. Please keep your highly simplified world of disappointment to yourself.
