(February 11, 2010 at 4:50 am)tackattack Wrote: The nicene creed is still the current doctrine's of Christianity. You are assuming it's stated somewhere how we should translate the bible. It was put out there to help non-believers define what Christianity should be defined as. You asserted that I "would defiantly have to take many of the passages throughout the Bible Literally" which is obviously not true and is subjective, by the definition of Christianity.
People falsly compare the Bible and Qur'an all the time. Yes they're both books, but that missing the meaning of what they are. A better comparison to the Qur'an would be Jesus and the disciples to Mohamed. That would infer that the Qur'an would be more akin to a book written from a discible from the bible. I say this because the Qur'an and Jesus are both the eternal revelation of God. Mohammed and the disciples were the messengers of the ideology. Hadith, Tarikh, Sira and Tafsir compared to the Bible are the history and teachings of the messengers.
No if you believed in the holy spirit you wouldn't have a correct translation. You may think it a cop out because you're not trying to see my perspective. I have something you don't and that gives me a biased perspective. You have nothing that I don't have except perhaps a grudge, yet you can't escape your bias. You either believe in things outside of the tangible or you don't, that's all it boils down to.
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Again, just another book (AKA) opinionated material trying to define. Just ask your local Mormon and Jehovah Witness how well their little black and blue books define their "Truth"...
And I'm sorry, but Christianity in a whole is one big subjective mass of opinions, but they seem to agree on a few things within the Bible, which of course is what makes them a "Christian" and not a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Wiccan, etc. etc.
I haven't found too many people calling themselves Christians that disagreed with:
John 14:6Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Of course every Christian is going to "View" or "Translate" the Bible in their own opinion, but there is still that core that defines them as a Christian in comparison to the 1000+ beliefs we have today and back when.
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Considering half my family is Muslim, I can tell you now, that is truly reaching....
Just as the Christian bible and Qur'an, did nothing more than rape the Gnostics and Judean text to benefit their own opinions. One just so happened to put Jesus on a throne...
I can believe there was a "Man" that was Jesus from back then, but no more, no less..Just as I do a Mohammad.
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I have no grudge against people who believe, only the ones that tell me their opinions are the truth and if I don't believe their biased opinions, then I will be in "HELL"!!!!!!.....
I'm happy that you don't view hell as some torture chamber as told within the "Christian/Qur'an" bible, but it still does not take away from the fact that you are believing in something that has no evidence other than your opinions...Regardless of what other texts you read to "Help" you understand the Bible... (Amazon.com has plenty more books from authors that can help you with the Bible as well..)...
Just so you know for future reference...When I have my rants on this forum, it is to the majority that view the Bible as 100% factual material and base their every living existence on it. I don't know where you are from, but here in the U.S. (Southern section) the majority believes that way and have no problem with going "Holy-Roller" on someone who questions them....
Intelligence is the only true moral guide...