RE: How I got Out of Religion.
February 14, 2010 at 12:38 am
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2010 at 8:40 am by tackattack.)
[quote='Samson' pid='55859' dateline='1266114825']
[/quote]
1- I was talking about 40 authors over all, both NT and OT, my wording was a little off. I don't punctuate as often as I should.
2- I agree that Atheist are not trying to turn religion into Science. I was just getting a little frustrated. Science and religion both have degrees of freedom or Scalable values for unproovable assumptions. I just happen to have defined mine as faith and science uses numbers. Both are just mental constructs.
3-I've already gone over the slave thing elsewhere. The laws of Moses established how to treat a slave, the laws of Jesus, pointed to those laws as parable for living. Any salesman would speak to you in a language you understood with common terms for the local area. A salesman from Louisana would have to try some new language when selling things in Maine.
4- I'm not farmiliar with the hell references not being in the OT, perhaps you could suggest some reading, with links. As far as what I do know about hell ""I believe that hell is essentially separation from God, so we can have hell in this life and hell in the life to come..," Graham told an interviewer in 1991." But to describe hell in vivid terms like I might have done 30 or 40 years ago, I'm not at liberty to do that because whether there is actually fire in hell or not, I DO NOT KNOW." - Billy Graham. I know hell is shown 31 times in the OT in the KJV, but zero in the NIV, because it's more about a state of the soul not a geographic location.
5- As far as justifying slavery I'm aware the Bible never attempt to say it is unjust. It was written by men and inspired by God. Perhaps eternal salvation was more important message to convey to feeble minds than items of commerce and trade. Some slaves sold themselves into it. True most were war criminals I believe, but it was day-to -day life back then. To come out against it outright would have obviously crippled it's message spreasing through the populace. Jesus never condones it, merely uses it as an example through metaphor.
I think I covered everything, but I'm getting very sleepy now.
[/quote]
1- I was talking about 40 authors over all, both NT and OT, my wording was a little off. I don't punctuate as often as I should.
2- I agree that Atheist are not trying to turn religion into Science. I was just getting a little frustrated. Science and religion both have degrees of freedom or Scalable values for unproovable assumptions. I just happen to have defined mine as faith and science uses numbers. Both are just mental constructs.
3-I've already gone over the slave thing elsewhere. The laws of Moses established how to treat a slave, the laws of Jesus, pointed to those laws as parable for living. Any salesman would speak to you in a language you understood with common terms for the local area. A salesman from Louisana would have to try some new language when selling things in Maine.
4- I'm not farmiliar with the hell references not being in the OT, perhaps you could suggest some reading, with links. As far as what I do know about hell ""I believe that hell is essentially separation from God, so we can have hell in this life and hell in the life to come..," Graham told an interviewer in 1991." But to describe hell in vivid terms like I might have done 30 or 40 years ago, I'm not at liberty to do that because whether there is actually fire in hell or not, I DO NOT KNOW." - Billy Graham. I know hell is shown 31 times in the OT in the KJV, but zero in the NIV, because it's more about a state of the soul not a geographic location.
5- As far as justifying slavery I'm aware the Bible never attempt to say it is unjust. It was written by men and inspired by God. Perhaps eternal salvation was more important message to convey to feeble minds than items of commerce and trade. Some slaves sold themselves into it. True most were war criminals I believe, but it was day-to -day life back then. To come out against it outright would have obviously crippled it's message spreasing through the populace. Jesus never condones it, merely uses it as an example through metaphor.
I think I covered everything, but I'm getting very sleepy now.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari
