How I got Out of Religion.

[Samson]

1- I was talking about 40 authors over all, both NT and OT, my wording was a little off. I don't punctuate as often as I should.

Np....Real quick though, are you talking about the King James type version we have today? Or the one before in which had a few more books that, of course, were taken out?

2- I agree that Atheist are not trying to turn religion into Science. I was just getting a little frustrated. Science and religion both have degrees of freedom or Scalable values for unproovable assumptions. I just happen to have defined mine as faith and science uses numbers. Both are just mental constructs.

Thanks for the clarification....

3-I've already gone over the slave thing elsewhere. The laws of Moses established how to treat a slave, the laws of Jesus, pointed to those laws as parable for living. Any salesman would speak to you in a language you understood with common terms for the local area. A salesman from Louisana would have to try some new language when selling things in Maine.

I understand that and get the point, but he still never went against Slavery in any shape form or fashion.. Even 600 years before a Jesus Character there were those who talked highly against owning another man as property of some type.
I've heard the arguments from a "Christian" stand point about slavery in the Bible and no matter how someone bow ties it up and slaps a greeting sign on the front, it's still slavery and someone would "Assume" that god-son would know the immorality in it, but we never heard/read a counter from him.

4- I'm not farmiliar with the hell references not being in the OT, perhaps you could suggest some reading, with links. As far as what I do know about hell ""I believe that hell is essentially separation from God, so we can have hell in this life and hell in the life to come..," Graham told an interviewer in 1991." But to describe hell in vivid terms like I might have done 30 or 40 years ago, I'm not at liberty to do that because whether there is actually fire in hell or not, I DO NOT KNOW." - Billy Graham. I know hell is shown 31 times in the OT in the KJV, but zero in the NIV, because it's more about a state of the soul not a geographic location.

The 31 times in the Hebrew O.T. Bible was "Sheol"(Grave) not "Hell". The Christians changed this and "Hell" by the "MASS" majority is viewed as a place and is still taught to the masses as the fire pit down under.
Regardless that you do not believe this to be as described and majority followed...(Which I'm glad you don't), it's still "Real" to the ignorant majority that peddle this garbage.

If you search out the Tanakh (Torah) which of course is the O.T. (But with some odds and ends redefined) you'll see the word "Sheol" not hell..... Hell wasn't the only one that was mislabeled. "Virgin" was another great screw up.. The Hebrew word "almah" which literally means "Maiden/girl" was wrote translated into Greek as "Parthenos", which is where the mishap takes place..Parthenos literally meaning Virgin.. "Bethulah" is the Hebrew word for "Virgin".... There is a difference....

5- As far as justifying slavery I'm aware the Bible never attempt to say it is unjust. It was written by men and inspired by God. Perhaps eternal salvation was more important message to convey to feeble minds than items of commerce and trade. Some slaves sold themselves into it. True most were war criminals I believe, but it was day-to -day life back then. To come out against it outright would have obviously crippled it's message spreasing through the populace. Jesus never condones it, merely uses it as an example through metaphor.

I replied on your number 3 comment:


Thanks again for the replies....