(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Cool, what a fine proof that an all knowing being doesn't exist.
Really?
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Surely you know better than to threaten an atheist with god. It's like little boy warning his father about the monster under the bed.
It can't be a threat if you don't believe it to be true. You wouldn't be threatened if I held an imaginary gun to your head, would you?
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Prove god exists and he created life. Lack of evidence proves nothing one way or the other. But as a method of making predictions about the real world science has a great track record and alas does not.
Science has also been in error, so I don't know what to believe lol. I've given arguments for the existence of God...and those were only 6 among the two dozen or so theistic arguments (Alvin Plantiga).
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Citation for the scientists believing in a static unchanging world and for sheppards believing the world began 5000 years before their time.
Well, the static bit is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_universe
The sheppards bit is the HOLY BIBLE..which in the first 10 words of the entire book is "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". (Gen 1:1).
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Potentially yes, sometime in the future. Your point?
Well, you believe science will explain things to you in the future. I believe that Jesus will return in the future, and explain things to me.
I guess we both have future hopes lol
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: That's backwards honey. You just said if something is logically impossible it can't exist. That was no baring on whether something imagined does exist. Imagining a thing does not make it exist.
It depends on what it is. God's existence, if he exist, would be necessary. It would be what is called a "necessary truth", and all possible necessary truths must be actually true.
And if we can imagine such a beings existence...if such a beings existence is possibly true, then it is actually true.
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You are presuming that "smarts" are required to make life. That's a leap.
It is, based on the complexity of DNA, which takes more than random chance to get.
(November 2, 2014 at 5:22 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You want to discuss the Model Ontological Argument fine. Start a thread. There are various permutations of it, and I want to see yours before I refute it.
Good idea, once the heat dies down from this thread.