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"The term clinical death had some value. Usually this term referred to the cessation of cardiac function, as might occur during a medical procedure or a heart attack. A physician could make this determination quickly and then try CPR or other techniques in an effort to restore cardiac function. "Clinical death" was therefore a useful term because it acknowledged that one of the basic criteria for determining death applied to the situation, yet it did not stand in the way of resuscitation efforts." [/url] Clinically dead doesn't mean brain dead. Lommel assumes the loss of blood to the brain means the brain stops working. This is not the case. Effects due to loss of blood supply to the brain have been studied in fighter pilots who experience high G forces. These pilots experiences are very similiar to NDE if not identical. :mic-drop:

And these facts make you believe you that the brain is still working and conscious?
There are few things to consider.
1) There are differences between a natural loss of blood supply to the brain and one induced loss.

As far as the brain in concerned, it doesn't know the difference. So it response is the same.

2) It is important to consider the quantity of loss blood to the brain.
Does the loss of blood supply to the brain in high G forces experiences equal to the loss of blood in a natural situation of flat-lined" EEG state?

Good question. Lommel doesn't give numbers on how much blood is lost. So I can't do a comparison. I did find this. "At some point, intracranial perfusion cannot be maintained and significant cerebral hypoxia (no blood = no oxygen) follows. The end result is unconsciousness. ... most significant physiologic effect from G-forces are related to tissue ischemia (insufficient blood flow), specifically intracerebral (brain) ischemia." Do NDE patients suffer from tissue ischemia?

As Lommel say......The current concept in medical science states that consciousness is the product of the brain. This concept, however, has never been scientifically proven.......

True it has never been proven, but there is a strong correlation between the two. Also, just because it wasn't proven, doesn't mean Lommel hypothesis is equally or more valid.

But again it is clear that some of these NDEs experiences can not be the result of the brain like in the case where it was witness places or people that could not be witness with the mind.

Bullshit. How do you know these people haven't seen pictures, heard stories, or their memory was altered afterwards? This is the huge problem with testinomials, and why they're not considered scientific evidence.

The brain can not do this so the conclusion is that the consciousness can not possibly be the product of the brain as the brain is not able to see behind closed doors. Cheers.

You know what the brain can't do and what it can? Are you a neuroscientist? Are you possibly forgetting that people also have ears? Are you aware that rooms in the hospital are designed the same? Not seeing room 105 doesn't mean you didn't see room 355.