(April 16, 2016 at 2:13 pm)Shadow_Man Wrote: Rhondazvous,
Rhondazvous Wrote:Foreknowledge precludes free will when you add omnipotence.
Please justify or demonstrate the validity of this assertion. Just because I can squash you like a bug doesn't mean that I will.
Rhondazvous Wrote:If your god does not control what people do then why do you pray to him?
Your question is so astounding I'm not sure what to make of it. Can you honestly think of no other reason to pray to God than to petition Him to control other people for you?
I pray to God for healing, for guidance, for protection from harm, for forgiveness of transgressions, etc.
Rhondazvous Wrote:Why does the bible tell us to pray for our rulers if god does not in some way control what they do?
Astounding. You equate praying for someone with praying that God will control them?
I pray to God for healing, for guidance, for protection from harm, for forgiveness of transgressions, etc. on behalf of our rulers.
Rhondazvous Wrote:Even if you say god does not control everything, you have neither knowledge nor control over what god chooses to intervene.
I certainly have no control over God, and He is under no obligation to inform me about all that He is doing.
Rhondazvous Wrote:So how do you know on any given day at any given moment if what you are doing is from your free will or from god controlling you?
God never violates my free will. He never controls me.
Rhondazvous Wrote:What percent of your actions has god decided he needs to control in order to fulfill his plan?
Zero.
You seem to think that God's plan is some big, unknowable mystery. It is not. He has already told us what it is. God is establishing a family of sons and daughters who will be like-minded with Him, and suitable to share eternity with Him. Jesus was his only begotten son. The rest of us are adopted. Free will is a foundational necessity within this process. We freely choose to be adopted, or freely reject that adoption.
What use is there in pulling the doll's string and having it say its pre-programmed "I love you?" None. But having fully sentient beings freely fall in love with you, freely declare that love, and tell you they want to live with you forever, starting now - that is wondrous. That is the plan. It is unfolding before your eyes.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
Wow look at you thinking you here is the question is god all knowing yes or no you are simply dodging the question being asked.
We came to the conclusion hell even another Theist actually agrees with my post if god exists we have no free will given the fact if he is
all knowing.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
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