RE: Free will
May 28, 2016 at 7:06 am
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2016 at 7:13 am by Shadow_Man.)
Rhythm,
Wow. I leave for a few days and the whole world changes. You guys are fast. I feel like I'm necro-posting within an active thread.
I don't think you realize the import of your statements. If the conditions producing an outcome are irrelevant to true foreknowledge of the outcome, then any conditions are possible, and no conditions can be ruled out. Thus, free will as the condition that produces the outcome cannot be ruled out, but you have been claiming throughout this entire thread that free will must necessarily be ruled out.
Regards,
Shadow_Man
Wow. I leave for a few days and the whole world changes. You guys are fast. I feel like I'm necro-posting within an active thread.
Rhythm Wrote:The conditions are irrelevant. In an absurdist universe where there is no cause or condition..a true claim to foreknowledge is still true. In a fatalist universe where the only cause or condition is that outcomes are fatalistic, a true claim to foreknowledge is still true. In a closed loop of causal determinism, a true claim to foreknowledge is still true. This is a demand of the claim regardless of the circumstances which led to it, even if there -are- no circumstances which led to it...which is why discussing those circumstances is an irrelevancy with regards to the claims being considered for compatibility.
I don't think you realize the import of your statements. If the conditions producing an outcome are irrelevant to true foreknowledge of the outcome, then any conditions are possible, and no conditions can be ruled out. Thus, free will as the condition that produces the outcome cannot be ruled out, but you have been claiming throughout this entire thread that free will must necessarily be ruled out.
Regards,
Shadow_Man