"Declared Clinically Dead"

[chimp3]

No! If you initiate CPR you do not assume anyone is dead. That is why it is called resuscitation. You are trying to save a life! As in "Rescue'! As in "Save"! Not as in "Resurrect"! Not as in "Return from the Underworld". More like "Hellp! He is not breathing! Save him!"

Have not any of you NDE promoting theotards ever taken a basic CPR class? It does not require a degree. Many fire stations offer CPR free to the public.

I have taken CPR classes both in high school and subsequently at work.  It was my understanding from these classes, that CPR was started, because the subjects heart wasn't beating, and external ventilation when they where not breathing.  Was this incorrect?  

This is 2/3 of the criteria for the definition of clinical death.  The third is lack of pupillary response.  Again it is my understanding that within minutes of the brain not receiving oxygen, that the autonomic nervous systems will cease functioning. This doesn't mean, that they cannot be resussitated, but they are clinically dead, if these three conditions are present.

Wrong. In terms of CPR . having no heartbeat is called a cardiac arrest. The concept of clinical death is not part of the equation. CPR is a life saving effort not a life restoration effort. "Clinical death" is a concept that those justifying the hallucinatory process called an NDE use to embellish the stories.

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Hallucinations are common in the healthcare setting. People having surgeries , trauma, etc. often have visual and auditory hallucinations. Delusions are common too. Side effects of medications, metabolic imbalances, hypoxia are the usual explanations. I have cared for many people who see snakes, bugs on the wall, kids making mischief, etc. My own brother-in-law had a long drawn out conversation with me on politics, the Nixon era, and I never visited him. One woman was pointing at the ceiling talking about all the colorful fish swimming up there. I usually look to make sure there are not real snakes or bugs and then just document the symptoms and make sure the MD is aware. There is no reason to believe an NDE is any different.