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No ET! Ever?
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 18, 2017 at 11:43 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(February 18, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: That's false:

[Image: 8aGTbAw.gif]

And, the above is not accounting for the proper motion of stars throughout the Galaxy.  And, so, if you wanted to send a message from 100 light-years away using a directional antenna, here is the formula that you would use:

[Image: inversesquare_eq1.gif]

After that, you (or I), am going to have to convert lumens to watts:

[Image: Lumens-vs-Watts-Conversion-Formula.jpg]

Assuming 15 lm/watt, here is what I get:

1 light-year = 9460730472580800 meters

100 light years = 946,073,047,258,080,000 meters

1,000,000,000 watts = 15,000,000,000 lumens

D ^ 2 = 8.950542107481892730061252864e+35 meters squared

B = L / (4 * pi * D ^ 2)

   = 1.333619862188475648988125129197e-27 lumens / meter squared

   = 8.8907990812565043265875008613135e-29 Watts / meter squared

Sensitivity of Arecibo radio receiver:  10−26 watts per square meter.

And, so, Arecibo may be able to pick-up a very strong signal if it was looking at the right spot and the exact moment in time.

That picture you show reflects the precession of equinox.   It has nothing to do with earth's motion or proper motions of target stars and therefore does nothing to increase the difficulties of targeted transmission.

Your original claim was, "the stars are in pretty much the same positions as when they were observed by the Greeks / Ancient Chinese." (emphasis mine).

In any case, the proper motion of the Sun around the center of the Galaxy (at nearly 700 times the speed of sound), would be sufficient to cause a narrow band radio transmission to miss the Earth, not to mention the Earth's motion around the Sun (around 60 times the speed of sound).
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No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 25, 2017 at 5:03 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Alex K - January 25, 2017 at 5:23 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 10:00 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by brewer - January 25, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mister Agenda - January 25, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Amarok - January 25, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - January 26, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by TheRealJoeFish - January 25, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 25, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 25, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 25, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cato - January 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 25, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 25, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by The Valkyrie - January 25, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - January 25, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Angrboda - January 25, 2017 at 11:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:22 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Edwardo Piet - January 25, 2017 at 11:53 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 26, 2017 at 12:15 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 26, 2017 at 3:18 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 26, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 26, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 26, 2017 at 2:21 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Amarok - January 26, 2017 at 3:29 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 26, 2017 at 10:38 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 26, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Amarok - January 26, 2017 at 1:48 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 26, 2017 at 2:33 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 26, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Lemonvariable72 - January 26, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - January 26, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Alex K - January 27, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 2:15 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Foxaèr - January 28, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 1:48 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 28, 2017 at 3:14 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 7:15 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 28, 2017 at 8:49 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - January 30, 2017 at 3:23 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 30, 2017 at 3:33 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 31, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 1, 2017 at 1:52 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - February 2, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 1, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 2:25 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 2, 2017 at 12:05 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 2, 2017 at 1:14 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Foxaèr - February 2, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 2, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2017 at 8:58 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 2, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 2, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 2, 2017 at 12:58 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 2, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 2, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 3, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 2, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 16, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 17, 2017 at 9:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 7:11 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 4:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 18, 2017 at 11:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 11:50 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 10:08 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 19, 2017 at 2:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 18, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 8:25 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 20, 2017 at 8:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 20, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 9:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 27, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 10:23 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 27, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 27, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 27, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 28, 2017 at 7:00 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - March 27, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by SuperSentient - March 28, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Sal - March 28, 2017 at 7:53 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 28, 2017 at 8:16 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Sal - March 28, 2017 at 8:54 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 28, 2017 at 10:05 am



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