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No ET! Ever?
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 19, 2017 at 2:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(February 19, 2017 at 12:48 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It may be better to express things simply in joules.  Fact is that stars are basically point sources which is why they, unlike planets, twinkle on clear nights (planets, unlike stars, have angular size on the night sky); this fact, called scintillation, is going to impact any source of light, and so, assuming that you could produce a narrow, coherent form of laser light and aim such perfectly, it is virtually certain that such will get scattered somewhere in the interstellar medium.

The visible twinkling comes from the atmosphere.  Point sources don't twinkle when viewed outside the atmosphere.  There is scattering by interstellar medium.  But around the vicinity of earth significant scattering takes >>50 light years worth of interstellar medium.  We can actually measure the amount of scattering by distance by measuring exoplanet transits.

You're absolutely correct, however, we are talking about stars and planets, the diameters of which are many magnitudes greater than some sort of radio transmitter, which means that a narrow band signal, such as laser, would be still subject to scattering in the interstellar medium.  Stars are, of course, much more powerful than are interstellar laser beacons, and being omnidirectional, the scattering that they experience is much less.  However, their light still does get scattered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman-alpha_forest

Once again, I think that the "Wow! signal" may have been authentic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal

But, if was authentic, it was, at the Wiki article states, likely some beacon that was sweeping the (alien) sky in more or less random directions.

What I am railing against here is what was stated in the BBC link in the OP, that is, that "absence of evidence" is grounds for concluding evidence of absence; hence, given the laws of Nature, it is completely understandable why we have not heard from ET or why ET has not visited our solar system.  Other than a powerful, sweeping beacon, the challenges, in my opinion, for direct radio communication are likely either impossible, or at least practically infeasible.  The only evidence that we are likely to get for ET will be indirect evidence, the type that came in the Wow! signal, or perhaps, KIC 8462852:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852


In short, the BBC article is just plain wrong.
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No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 25, 2017 at 5:03 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Alex K - January 25, 2017 at 5:23 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 10:00 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by brewer - January 25, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mister Agenda - January 25, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Neo-Scholastic - January 25, 2017 at 6:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Amarok - January 25, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - January 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - January 26, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by TheRealJoeFish - January 25, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 25, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 25, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 25, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cato - January 27, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 25, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 25, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 25, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by The Valkyrie - January 25, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - January 25, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Angrboda - January 25, 2017 at 11:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:22 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Edwardo Piet - January 25, 2017 at 11:53 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 26, 2017 at 12:15 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by I_am_not_mafia - January 26, 2017 at 3:18 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 26, 2017 at 12:16 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 26, 2017 at 1:25 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 26, 2017 at 2:21 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 26, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Minimalist - January 26, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Amarok - January 26, 2017 at 1:48 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 26, 2017 at 2:33 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - January 26, 2017 at 10:47 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Alex K - January 27, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 2:15 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Foxaèr - January 28, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 1:48 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by vorlon13 - January 28, 2017 at 3:14 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - January 28, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - January 30, 2017 at 3:23 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - January 30, 2017 at 3:33 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - January 31, 2017 at 3:22 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 3:51 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - January 31, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 1, 2017 at 1:52 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 1, 2017 at 11:08 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 11:33 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - February 2, 2017 at 4:24 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 2, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 1, 2017 at 1:30 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 2:25 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 1, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 2, 2017 at 12:05 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 2, 2017 at 1:14 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Foxaèr - February 2, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 2, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2017 at 8:58 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Catholic_Lady - February 2, 2017 at 12:11 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Cyberman - February 2, 2017 at 11:04 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Godschild - February 3, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Aoi Magi - February 2, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 2, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 16, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Edwardo Piet - February 16, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 16, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 17, 2017 at 9:17 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 7:11 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 4:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 18, 2017 at 11:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 11:50 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 10:08 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Mr Greene - February 19, 2017 at 2:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 18, 2017 at 7:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 18, 2017 at 8:20 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 18, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 12:48 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Jehanne - February 19, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - February 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 19, 2017 at 8:25 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Rhondazvous - February 20, 2017 at 8:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 20, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 9:55 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Anomalocaris - February 27, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - February 27, 2017 at 10:23 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 27, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 28, 2017 at 7:00 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 27, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by residentatheist - March 27, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by ignoramus - March 27, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: No ET! Ever? - by SuperSentient - March 28, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: No ET! Ever? - by Sal - March 28, 2017 at 7:53 am
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RE: No ET! Ever? - by Sal - March 28, 2017 at 8:54 am
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