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ALIEN Convenant
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RE: ALIEN Convenant
(March 11, 2017 at 3:54 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Prometheus was retarded. I don't understand why they needed to go Däniken and in a lame way "Look there are dots on some cave wall they must represent stars - let's go there." I mean it's not just lame but also worn-out. You have group of people that discover caves that turn out to be buried spaceship and in the process they go trough biological metamorphosis. When Stephen King did same thing in book and TV show off that book "The Tommyknockers" was accused of re-making "Quatermass and the Pit".

And with this movie it looks like a soft-reboot. My verdict is INVENT SOMETHING NEW, or if nothing else take some SF novel/story and film that. There is plenty of that to be made. And why? Because this world need new, fresh ideas.

I didn't mind the ancient astronaut seeding earth angle too much, but it could have been done much better.  In Jon Spaihts original script they find an obelisk underwater that is more like a Rosetta Stone for Engineer language.  The whole idea of proclaiming them as our creators before even setting foot on the planet was pretty ridiculous.  That should have been one of the big storyline reveals instead of some forgone conclusion.

(March 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: King also remade Lars Von Trier's excellent Riget - The Kingdom - as Kingdom Hospital and claimed he got the idea while he was in hospital himself after being hit by a car. Von Trier got no credit until the DVD release.

As to Promethazine - sorry, Prometheus - it seems that Ridley Scott has some very silly ideas about characters that weren't even his to start with...

Quote:The film clearly shows that Engineers created life on Earth and then guided humans throughout our development, one day hoping that we would come visit them. But we did something very bad. So bad, that it upset the Engineers. And according to the movie, whatever we did, happened two thousand years ago. The only thing that could be is that we killed Jesus, who apparently was an Engineer as well. Here is a quote from Scott: "If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

(Useless trivia: Ridley Scott was the first choice to direct Doctor Who's second ever story, The Daleks (aka The Dead Planet) but was filming a commercial and thus unavailable. If the above is any guide, it was probably a lucky escape.)

I'm on a few message boards that pick through trailers frame-by-frame, and analyze this stuff.  I've read enough Ridley interviews and I think he throws ideas out.  I think the space jesus angle was him throwing an idea out, but it wasn't really plotted in the movie.

We know two things in Prometheus.  One is that the corpse was two thousand years old.   The second is that Engineers visited earth more recently than two thousand years ago.  Two of the artifacts that show the star "map" are actually dated much more recent.  Mayan (620AD) and Hawaiian (680AD).

So four possibilities. 

1) The corpse age was just some arbitrary number thrown out in the script with no thought to the star maps.
2) The star maps date was just some arbitrary number thrown out in the script with no thought to the corpse age.
3) Both of the above.

or

4) The ages/dates are correct and intentional.  Which could mean there are multiple Engineer groups at work.

Unfortunately I don't think any of these questions will be answered in Covenant. They seem pretty content to act as if Prometheus never existed with the exception of David returning, and going back to the monster movie tropes.

“Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.”
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ALIEN Convenant - by Kosh - March 10, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by vorlon13 - March 10, 2017 at 12:19 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Kosh - March 10, 2017 at 12:29 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by vorlon13 - March 10, 2017 at 11:58 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by vorlon13 - March 11, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Assimilate - March 10, 2017 at 11:04 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Faith No More - March 10, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by ignoramus - March 10, 2017 at 9:12 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Alex K - March 11, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 11, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Kosh - March 13, 2017 at 1:14 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - March 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 12, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 12, 2017 at 9:50 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 12, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 13, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 13, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - March 12, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Alex K - March 12, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by NaughtyButNice - March 12, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - March 13, 2017 at 1:06 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 18, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Alex K - March 18, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - March 20, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by LastPoet - March 20, 2017 at 4:37 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by The Valkyrie - March 20, 2017 at 5:11 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 9, 2017 at 3:10 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 9, 2017 at 6:12 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - May 9, 2017 at 6:08 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Aegon - May 9, 2017 at 6:29 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Kosh - May 17, 2017 at 11:38 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Alex K - May 18, 2017 at 5:07 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by downbeatplumb - May 19, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Aegon - May 18, 2017 at 5:38 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Alex K - May 18, 2017 at 5:40 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 18, 2017 at 6:53 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - May 9, 2017 at 6:31 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Aegon - May 18, 2017 at 6:56 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 18, 2017 at 7:03 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 18, 2017 at 7:09 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 18, 2017 at 7:33 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 19, 2017 at 2:20 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Cyberman - May 19, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 19, 2017 at 1:32 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 24, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - May 28, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - June 7, 2017 at 7:49 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Gawdzilla Sama - June 7, 2017 at 8:17 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by emjay - May 24, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 28, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by emjay - May 28, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by Fake Messiah - May 29, 2017 at 3:13 am
RE: ALIEN Convenant - by emjay - May 29, 2017 at 6:26 am

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