"Cultural Appropriation"

[Shell B]

Is the internet the statehouse or the shithouse?  The seat of power, or the throne of crazy?

That doesn't matter. I wasn't commenting on the statehouse. When I say far left, I mean far left. I don't mean far left politicians only, though there are a fair share of stupids there too.

They are, actually, mutually exclusive things.  Fascism is a form of far right authoritarianism.  Something being far right excludes it from being far left.  

No, they aren't. Fascism is a form of government. Socialism is a philosophy that fits perfectly with fascism in the right circumstances, which have arisen multiple times in human history.

-not if one of them is on the left, and the other the right.  It would be a far left authoritarian socialist pointing a finger at a far right authoritarian fascist.  I'm neither, and neither are the people expressing the reality of cultural appropriation.  

I'll give that fascism is generally used to describe the right wing, but, again, the far left is indistinguishable from the far right, and thus makes leaps into fascism. I've never suggested you are either.

Cultural wealth -and- actual wealth, Shell.  When our black person hating and oppressing culture took black music..got themselves a white boy to sing it - and then profited from it, while denying the proceeds even to the people who wrote the damned songs and were still alive...that was a textbook example of cultural appropriation.  Great songs, sure, I enjoy them.  People are free to enjoy them..though, I imagine some of that enjoyment must have been lost on the people from whom they were stolen.......

That's stealing actual wealth, bruh. It's just fucking stealing. Wearing a headdress from a different culture that you purchase is cultural appropriation, but it isn't fucking stealing.

It;s really not, because the stuff we saved was convenient to our narrative of them at the time..and not representative of their culture.  We kept the bits that furthered our cause of dehumanization and oppression...and some of it, well...we just made it up.  Nothing about it was morally neutral.

"We" didn't do anything. I'm not 250 years old. If you have a cause of dehumanization and repression, fine. I don't. I just like the things I like.

Agreed, but people denying that cultural appropriation took place, or arguing that it was a good thing by reference to how it all ended up today (laying aside that it doesn't seem to have ended up all that well) or how we got cool stuff out of it, and by consitently ignoring that cultural appropriation was never about -them-..but what had been done to others........is not neutral. Go, enjoy our culture....all of it.  Just don;t stick your head in the sand when somebody brings up the shittier elements of how we got parts of that culture.  I'm absolutely certain that I don't need to tell you this....but I seem to have to explain it over and over to the usual suspects™.  

No one is sticking their heads in the sand about shitty events that took place in history here. They're saying that A. not all cultural appropriation has a history of rape and pillaging, so chill and B. people have every right to enjoy parts of any culture available to them. Multiculturalism is good, so chill.

Most of what -we- know now..yes, but not what african america knew at the end of bondage, Shell.  They only knew what we had told them.  They had not traveled...nor had we, in manufacturing that cultural identity.

Is that happening right now? No? So, it doesn't apply to us right now. When I listen to African music, I'm not doing anything wrong, and people who try to shame me for culturally appropriating can go suck a syphilitic dick.