"Cultural Appropriation"

[Shell B]

I think it does.  I don;t think that pointing a loon delivers on the promise of a "new leftist fascism".  I think it delivers a loon.  For us to be having anything even remotely resembling a grown up conversation about where fascism is and isn't we have to refer to the mainstream, or to the statehouse.  

Find me some good ole fascism from the american left?  Find me someone on the left who is espousing a far right authoritarian nationalism?

You're starting to get catty. I am a grown-up. Therefore, grown-up conversation. Here, just have a wiki article. Left-wing fascism is real, whether you want it to be or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

Take it up with the people who made the cross.  Socialism and fascism both share authoritarian tendencies - to say that fascism, thusly, "fits" with socialism is to say nothing of note while counting the hits, ignoring the misses, and reducing both words to meaninglessness.  Far left and far right authoritarianism are distinct....just like dogs and cats are distinct, even though they both have fur. 

I don't have to take it up with anybody. I can't help if you don't see it for what it is, but socialism and fascism have been bedmates for a very long time. That's coming from someone who loves bits of socialism. I just don't trust men to implement it.

The usual suspects whining about cultural appropriation repeatedly imply or outright state that I am part of the new leftist facism because I call them bigots when they say bigoted shit.  I know that you don't..just trying to bring you up to speed on all that nuance.  That the authoritarian right and the authoritarian left can be indistinguishable is not an idicator of them both being fascist.  Those on the far authoritatian left..are authoritarian socialists.  Now, we can say that they sometimes do or says similar things.  Sure.  

It is an indicator when the similar things they do are fascist. Moreover, the far left is not all socialist. I don't know why you keep saying that.

But whose far authoritarian wing is currently in the statehouse, and who is currently referring to crazy shit random internet people say as though it were indicative of fascism on "the other side" as silly as that is on it;s face - we all get what they;re trying to say, I think?  

Huh? Again, I don't care about who is in the statehouse as it pertains to this discussion. I am talking about very vocal individuals from both sides of the spectrum who are damaging our society. I never made any statements regarding who has more power right now. I've never made any statements saying all of the left wing or all of the right wing are fascist. They both have fascist elements. You cannot point to which radical left-winger I choose to refer to and say it invalidates my argument. As long as there is one, my statements remain true.

Yes, some people think it's actually stealing..bruh.

Well, the law does . . . bruh. It's not cultural appropriation. It's a fucking crime that's already condemned.

Other people think it didn't happen™, or was a good thing)™.

Okay, that's not the debate we're having. Don't care.

No, wearing a headdress -isn't- cultural appropriation.  I don't know why I have to keep responding to things that aren't cultural appropriation as though they were, or as though I claimed they were?

Because it is fucking cultural appropriation. It's the very thing the first respondent who decried cultural appropriation referred to. It's the fucking goalpost. You're talking about hate crimes, crimes against humanity, theft of intellectual property rights. These things already have names. If you think that's cultural appropriation, I can see why you're angry. I'd be angry at bees if I thought bee meant Nazi.

That's part of the endless litany of batshit usual responses used to deny the reality or shittiness of cultural appropriation and bury it under a mountain of irrelevance.

People don't deny the shittiness of the stuff you're quoting. You just don't know what cultural appropriation is.  

Oh good god Shell.  OFC you aren't 250 years old (though..it's still happening right now.....so.....?)..and I already addressed that exact sentiment...but you are a successor member of the culture which did the deed.  That cannot be changed by saying "Well, I didn't do it".  No, you didn't, but it was done, and it was a bad thing. 

Slavery isn't happening in America right now. No wonder you're so riled up. Also, no I am not a successor member of the culture that did the deed. I don't have a single slave-owning relative of which I am aware, and I am aware of quite a lot of them, given that my sister is a genealogist. Also, I could be second-generation South African for all you know. You only know that I'm now American.

Did I ever say it wasn't a bad thing? Nope. You said we repeatedly as if we should own that shit. I won't, and I shouldn't have to. It's absurd.

Shell, the usual suspects are very much sticking their heads in the and about thisa.  Not just here, on the internet, in crazy land..but also in the statehouse.  Still doing genteel racism, still supporting cultural appropriation while pretending that it didn't happen, and was a good thing, and all these liberals are fascists for pointing it out.

That..is what this entire thread...has been about.

Nope. A bunch of liberals are fascists because they're authoritarians who would love to have a liberal dictatorship whereby they enforce their SJW politics. You think it's just on the Internet? Cute.

Yes, it is happening right now..and very poigniently sao for the american fascists..... and you're still framing it as an us thing.  It's not.  It's not about us - you and me.  It's about what happened to other cultures when our forefathers saw fiot to do what they saw fit to do.  No, you're not doing anything wrong by listening to african music..nor is it cultural appropriation, and anyone who trieds to shame you is an idiot.  

However, once you stop -just- listening to african music..and argue that cultural appropriation didn't happen, or was a good thing, or support it then or here and now..you are no longer just listening to african music..and probably should be ashamed.  This, is when the bigot word comes out.  It probably doesn't apply to you.  It absolutely does apply to the bigots of american fascism..who very much wish to be able to do genteel racism, who's only response to their bigotry is to insist that someone is bigoted against them at least as hard..so, it's gotta be 'kay.

This is entirely based on your misunderstanding of the term cultural appropriation. You could say cultural appropriation is wearing a headdress and stealing things you found while perpetrating the Rape of Nanking, but you definitely can't say wearing a headdress that belongs to another culture isn't cultural appropriation. I'm sorry, but your definition is wrong. I don't say that because I want to be right. Seriously, you are using the term incorrectly and are the only person in this thread who is using that distorted definition. I can't waste time talking about it if you're not using the same definition as everyone else. Have a good day.