The need to believe?

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The need to believe?

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RE: The need to believe?

July 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm

(July 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm)JackRussell Wrote:
(July 10, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Generally speaking, people who do not follow a religious tradition and may not even believe in gods as entities - but do feel or believe in some sort of inneffable, commonly supernatural, "x" or spirit permeating the world around them. Any animist, most neopagans, assorted shamans and fortune tellers and ritualists fit this descriptor. All deists fit. Some theists - but it's a stretch on that count.

Ok, fine, but why should any rational person accept this too. Wonder and the numinous as experiential can be understood perfectly naturally as well.

Who's to say we don't understand it rationally?

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The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 8, 2017 at 8:02 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 8, 2017 at 8:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 8, 2017 at 9:08 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 8, 2017 at 10:19 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 8, 2017 at 11:17 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 9, 2017 at 12:49 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 1:29 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 2:30 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 8:02 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Angrboda - July 9, 2017 at 8:17 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 9, 2017 at 10:12 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 10:55 am

RE: The need to believe? - by chimp3 - July 9, 2017 at 8:30 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Little Rik - July 9, 2017 at 10:01 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 9, 2017 at 10:18 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 9, 2017 at 10:23 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 9, 2017 at 11:34 am

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 9, 2017 at 11:15 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 9:45 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 11:21 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 11:55 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 9, 2017 at 1:24 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 2:14 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 9, 2017 at 2:28 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 10, 2017 at 10:12 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 1:07 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 2:09 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 2:22 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 9, 2017 at 2:31 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 4:53 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 9, 2017 at 5:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 9, 2017 at 7:39 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 9, 2017 at 10:16 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:19 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 1:11 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 10, 2017 at 1:20 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 10, 2017 at 2:33 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 2:57 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 10, 2017 at 3:11 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 11, 2017 at 12:22 am

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 3:31 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 3:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 3:56 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:23 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 3:59 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:06 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:16 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:25 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 4:41 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 10, 2017 at 4:47 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 10, 2017 at 4:54 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 10, 2017 at 5:10 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Aliza - July 10, 2017 at 5:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 5:20 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:24 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 4:59 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 10, 2017 at 7:39 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 9:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 8:45 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 10, 2017 at 10:10 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 17, 2017 at 8:28 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 10, 2017 at 9:17 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 9:27 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 9:57 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 10:56 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 11:06 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 10, 2017 at 11:20 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 11, 2017 at 10:23 am

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 11, 2017 at 10:48 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 13, 2017 at 12:47 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:13 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Jackalope - July 13, 2017 at 3:20 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 11, 2017 at 11:02 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 8:13 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 9:44 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 11, 2017 at 9:50 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 10, 2017 at 11:24 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 10, 2017 at 11:33 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 10:39 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2017 at 10:47 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2017 at 11:02 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 11:16 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - July 11, 2017 at 6:12 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 6:49 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2017 at 11:22 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 11, 2017 at 11:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 7:54 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 11, 2017 at 8:13 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 9:30 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 11, 2017 at 10:01 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 12, 2017 at 12:50 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:21 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:28 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 13, 2017 at 5:56 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 13, 2017 at 6:02 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Lek - July 13, 2017 at 3:48 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2017 at 3:50 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 13, 2017 at 8:31 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 13, 2017 at 9:18 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 14, 2017 at 2:12 am

RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 13, 2017 at 9:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 8:00 am

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 9:30 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 10:03 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - July 14, 2017 at 10:27 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 10:35 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 14, 2017 at 10:51 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 11:24 am

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 10:18 am

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 11:10 am

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 11:27 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 11:31 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Der/die AtheistIn - July 14, 2017 at 11:40 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 14, 2017 at 12:33 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 12:55 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 14, 2017 at 12:35 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 1:08 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 1:24 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 1:53 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Thumpalumpacus - July 14, 2017 at 4:57 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2017 at 1:27 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 2:09 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 14, 2017 at 2:15 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 14, 2017 at 2:52 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 15, 2017 at 3:13 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 12:06 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by RedgraveStorm - July 15, 2017 at 12:54 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 1:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by RedgraveStorm - July 15, 2017 at 3:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 15, 2017 at 5:50 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 5:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 15, 2017 at 5:58 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 15, 2017 at 7:19 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 16, 2017 at 2:52 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2017 at 3:04 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by JackRussell - July 17, 2017 at 5:21 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 7:21 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 17, 2017 at 8:39 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by ignoramus - July 17, 2017 at 7:52 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2017 at 8:12 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 17, 2017 at 9:45 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 18, 2017 at 5:39 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 19, 2017 at 1:20 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 19, 2017 at 2:11 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 20, 2017 at 9:16 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 22, 2017 at 2:58 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Ben Davis - July 22, 2017 at 3:02 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 12:51 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 29, 2017 at 12:55 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 30, 2017 at 5:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 31, 2017 at 5:23 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - August 1, 2017 at 8:52 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 29, 2017 at 3:40 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Simon Moon - July 29, 2017 at 4:03 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Whateverist - July 29, 2017 at 5:03 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 29, 2017 at 5:41 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by KevinM1 - July 29, 2017 at 7:37 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 4:09 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 29, 2017 at 7:54 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by mordant - July 29, 2017 at 9:23 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 30, 2017 at 12:48 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Brian37 - July 30, 2017 at 4:23 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 29, 2017 at 7:55 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 30, 2017 at 12:23 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 31, 2017 at 5:58 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Foxaèr - July 31, 2017 at 5:58 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - July 31, 2017 at 6:38 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Catholic_Lady - July 31, 2017 at 5:59 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 12:22 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Fireball - August 2, 2017 at 1:02 am

RE: The need to believe? - by The Grand Nudger - August 2, 2017 at 12:23 am

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 10:41 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 4:11 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Succubus - August 2, 2017 at 5:32 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by *Deidre* - August 2, 2017 at 5:35 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Astonished - August 2, 2017 at 5:36 pm

RE: The need to believe? - by Dropship - August 4, 2017 at 2:49 am

RE: The need to believe? - by Harry Nevis - August 4, 2017 at 9:13 am

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