(September 1, 2017 at 6:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(September 1, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Alex K Wrote: Sorry MK, you've used up all your "long but worth it" credits. Show me a good argument in three terse paragraphs and I'll read it. If you need half a book, it's a sure sign it's bullshit.
The witness argument was the best argument by far. It's very simple that we require an objective judging perception to define us and our perception is not that, nor do we make ourselves inherit our actions.
That's it. The perpetual identity was good. The signs of value in ourselves was long but good too. This is good too.
The moral argument is sound. The paradox of any possible Creator being unable to create goodness from nothing hence proving it's eternal is good too.
You guys have been hit with so many good arguments, rather sad, you guys insisted on accepting arguments and evidence to believe in God and only on that condition, but when shown it, you turn aside from them and don't properly digest them.
Mystic, we PROMISE, well maybe not Trump, but we here PROMISE we wont advocate sticking you in Guantanamo Bay Cuba. WE PROMISE.
When you say, "witness accounts are the best arguments"
Jews say the same thing. Christians say the same thing. Hindus say the same thing and so do Buddhists. The problem is humans perceptions of reality are notoriously flawed. Most humans get sold the religion of their parents at birth long before they can develop critical thinking skills. There are very slick apologists as adults whom sell every religion you can think of, but the problem remains, no matter how elaborate the argument, it is still an attempt to prop up the ignorance of antiquity.
Same with "properly digest"........
A Christian would argue you haven't "properly digested" the bible that is why you cant understand why you should believe Jesus. We are being fair to you and to Christians and to Jews and to Hindus and to Buddhists. If anyone of any label had evidence that that one label were the only correct answer, they'd win a Nobel Prize and own a patent.
We are not being mean to you by saying "So what?". There are 7 billion humans with 10s of thousand of religions and countless god claims.
"You are not reading it correctly" is even argued between Sunnis and Shiites. "You are not reading it correctly" is argued by both Trump voting Evangelicals and Obama voting Baptists over the bible.
A Japanese Shinto Buddhist is not going to view Buddha the same way a Tibet Buddhist will and a Chinese Buddhist either.
All you are arguing is the same thing most humans argue, "Why don't you believe me" and "If you would just do it my way".
Our species morality does not come from a religion, a old book of mythology or a holy person. Our species morality is in us, the individual. I don't need your Koran anymore than you feel the need for a bible or the Hindu Vedas.
