(September 4, 2017 at 3:41 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(September 3, 2017 at 2:23 pm)Hammy Wrote: He's wrong. It's 2017. Get with the freaking program, Islam.
It's not Islam: it's Wahhabism.
Some pretty big names in science belonged to Muslims through the ages.
Brian37 Wrote:Atlass, in my non existent "utopia" that I am not insane to consider a possibility, religion would not exist at all. But that is not the reality our world's population of 7 billion lives in.
Yes, you have your science denying fuckface idiots and violent idiots, but so do Christians and Jews. Religion isn't going away. Islam didn't invent delusional people, neither did Christians or Jews, it is our species that values and protects what is local even when that value of that claim is wrong, or cruel.
The best the world can do, is sure, weed out those who deny science, or promote violence justified by religion.
If Christians and Muslims and Jews want to prove to me they are for peace, they can, I wish they would. But "peace" to most in the world is "peace" where the other is a guest or a subordinate.
Funny you should mention the Sun rotating around the earth. There is a clock, I think in Venice Italy built several hundred years ago, displaying that same celestial meme. So stupidity isn't a patent owned by Islam.
I hope you don't view this as "too childish" or "hippie stuff", but I literally believe that peace begins from the inside out, the individual must try to kick all the aggression and bigotry from their insides; and then the 7 billion will work that utopia into existence.
If everybody just cared about themselves; and became "selfish" in a healthy way, then change will happen to the best. Imagine if an atomic weapon manufacturer thought carefully about the damage he is inflicting on himself and on his people. Maybe the weapon won't be developed in the first place that way.
If we cared about our well-being; we will know that what goes around always come back around: even physics say that.
I don't see disbelief as the way to achieve that. A person must have a code of ethics; code of "morals" if we were to say. The trial and error are the reason our world is so corrupted. Personally: I think we'll never achieve that utopia,
With all due respect, IMO, there is no "one" way to possess a code of ethics or code of morals. For example, there are plenty of forum members here who are quite secular and who are also quite moral/ ethical/peaceful. Perhaps an effective starting point in promoting peace (individual, collective, etc.) is to develop the self-discipline to challenge one's preconceptions and engage difference with inquiry/curiosity.
